addicted to snow Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 I like it… I think that Varys is one of the most powerful characters in the books, along with Bran, Jon (if he takes the path I think he will), and Mel... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys' kitten Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Varys being a wizard is foreshadowed in aGoT, which is the book for foreshadowing and hints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dryhtscipe Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Varys hates magic. However, Varys is also a liar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyBanana Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Not sure if it's actually true but i was searching for ancient/old celtic names recently and merlyn basically means foreigner apparently. Guess what Varys is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dryhtscipe Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Also not sure if this has come up before, but "Varys" is interesting from an etymological standpoint both in-universe (if that's possible) and out. "Var-" appears in a Valyrian word - "valar" - which is "all men". "Val-" is probably "men", or "man". "-rys" as a suffix appears also, in "dracarys" - the "draca" part presumably refers to dragon ("dragonfire"), implying that "-rys" is a suffix implying "fire". Of course, as a caveat on the interestingness of this, the very notion of "in-universe etymology" is a tad shaky. However, this would make "Varys" the "man of fire" or "fire man". This would be somewhat supported by the similarity of "Varys" to "Vyras", which is Lithuanian, where "vyr-" (compare with Swedish "varus") is related to "wer-" (again meaning "man"). For further intrigue, "wer-" is where we get the word "virile", which Varys is clearly not, which is interesting from the standpoint of "Varys is inherently a lie". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dryhtscipe Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Not sure if it's actually true but i was searching for ancient/old celtic names recently and merlyn basically means foreigner apparently. Guess what Varys is. Not sure where you got that, but to my knowledge, it's inaccurate. Merlin is from an Old French form of Welsh "Myrddhin", which is probably from Old Celtic "Mori-dunon" - literally "of the sea-hill". In turn from "mori", "sea" (consider the word "mere") + "dunom", meaning "hill". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys' kitten Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Also not sure if this has come up before, but "Varys" is interesting from an etymological standpoint both in-universe (if that's possible) and out. "Var-" appears in a Valyrian word - "valar" - which is "all men". "Val-" is probably "men", or "man". "-rys" as a suffix appears also, in "dracarys" - the "draca" part presumably refers to dragon ("dragonfire"), implying that "-rys" is a suffix implying "fire". Of course, as a caveat on the interestingness of this, the very notion of "in-universe etymology" is a tad shaky. However, this would make "Varys" the "man of fire" or "fire man". This would be somewhat supported by the similarity of "Varys" to "Vyras", which is Lithuanian, where "vyr-" (compare with Swedish "varus") is related to "wer-" (again meaning "man"). For further intrigue, "wer-" is where we get the word "virile", which Varys is clearly not, which is interesting from the standpoint of "Varys is inherently a lie". If you say Lord Varys aloud, it sounds like Lord of Aerys. Varys=of Aerys. What if he was Aerys's bastard who he had castrated to prevent the Blackfyre problem? Just another possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulthosian Stark Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 And he shaves his head, I seem to recall a merlyn story that said he shaved his head for his hate to fit better, as Varys does for wigs and such etc, he essentially could be anyones bastard or even lost trueborn given the timelines match.My moneys on him being a secret user of magic even though he hates it (hell say something like "For the benefit of the realm!" If anyone questions it, and he's a liar), having a significant lineage (blackfyre, brightflame, seastar, hell I'd even take a reyne or tarbeck). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali Colak Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 "whilst whispers of a certain eunuch's talents crossed the narrow sea and reached the ears of a certain king. A very anxious king, who did not wholly trust his son, nor his wife, nor his Hand, a friend of his youth who had grown arrogant and overproud." According to this quote, Varys would have come too late for the merlin parallel to work. Though Varys may have had a hand in Jaime joining the KG, the fact that Rhaegar was old enough to have gained Aerys's mistrust, and the description of the relationship between Aerys and Tywin --which took some time to deteriorate-- puts this too close to Tyrion's birth to be truly viable. It would have taken Varys some time to truly gain Aerys’ trust to approach him with a scheme like that. As to why Varys trusted Aerys, why shouldn’t he after Varys had shown himself to be quite a capable gatherer of intelligence.Varys plays his own game, he showed as much interest in Tyrion as he did in anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Song so Sweet Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Varys is batman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikkel Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Varys is batman Because he's the hero Westeros deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent spider. A watchful spymaster. A Dark Eunuch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Song so Sweet Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Because he's the hero Westeros deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent spider. A watchful spymaster. A Dark Eunuch. Exactly. People would think he is the spiderman but that theory has too many holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dragons Hand Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 A merlin equivalent, but capable of the same things? No.Pretty sure if anything happened it's just down to Varys knowing the secret pathways of the red keep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bedding Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 'Creative thinking'How could someone that isn't a wizard actually get a wizard in a wooden box? How creative is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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