Normal wildlings and The Weeper's wildlings

[Tyrus Martell]

In ADWD, we got more insight into the plight of the wildlings than before, thanks to the prologue of Varamyr and the wildling's increasing (some begrudging) involvement with the Night's Watch - for the survival of both group's futures against the Others.

While we've seen wildlings like Leathers and Jax integrate themselves with the Watch willingly while retaining their personal values, and we've had others like Morna Whitemask, Sigorn of Thenn and Tormund Giantsbane warming up to Lord Commander Jon Snow and/or the idea of alliances with the Northmen on the other side of the Wall, there still persists the problem of wildlings like the Weeper - how will the "normal" wildlings, those like Longspear Ryk who aren't murderers or rapists but simply men and women from a different culture - integrate when there are still so many looking for blood, even with the Others on their backs?

Post ASOS, most of the menacing warband leaders like Alfyn Crowkiller, Harma Dogshead, Rattleshirt and Varamyr Sixskins have met their fate and are no longer living threats (who knows if a few have them have risen again as wights, though). But it's becoming increasingly obvious from what we hear throughout ADWD that not all wildlings are willing to go beyond the Wall without further unnecessary violence.

The Weeper is consistently mentioned since ACOK as one of the more dangerous wildling leaders and is the man responsible for the Battle of the Bridge of Skulls in ASOS - though he survived the battle. Because he was attacking the Shadow Tower, he avoided Stannis Baratheon's host and was able to gather survivors from the battle at the gates of the Wall and meet at the milkwater, then ambush Black Jack Bulwer and co. We then hear multiple times in ADWD that there are fires north of the Gorge, suggesting he's gearing up for another attack on the Shadow Tower - which, after Jon's stabbing, remains the most fortified castle on the Wall.

Even if Jon's absurd idea of letting men like the Weeper cross the gates without resistance went through, the Weeper and his men would further distabilise the already chaotic situation at the Wall and make it easier then ever for the Others to overrun the North. Seeing as how it's obvious an attack on the Shadow Tower is imminent, how do you guys think the Watch - and Jon, if he wakes up - will handle the murderous elements of the Weeper's band without further re-igniting hostilities with the wildlings already south of the Wall (such as the men from the Frozen Shore, or possible threats like Borroq and Halleck Dogshead)?

[How I Met Your Hodor]

I get the impression that of all the wildlings remaining the Weeper is the most dangerous, because I think he has an almost insane hatred of the NW and a Ramsay-esque streak of cruelty (scooping out eyes and stuff). If there is a man that Jon shouldn't let through its him. Maybe Jon will have to make a tough decision and execute the weeper (he has the grounds to do so for what happened to Black Jack Bulwer and co.) while allowing his men, who may be more willing to accept the peace that Jon is trying to create, across the bridge of skulls.

I think its particularly important to remove the weeper because he's a leader and if he stays alive then he'd be sent of to one of the forts along the wall to garrison it with other wildlings and I don't think it'd be long before he would take charge and begin to attack the nights watch from there

[Fire Eater]

I think Marsh gave the Weeper the opportunity he needed. With the NW fighting the wildlings, CB would have to get past the wildling-occupied forts along the Wall to reach the Shadow Tower isolating it from the rest of the Wall. Mallister and less than two hundred men would be alone when facing the Weeper's army of 500-1000 men. The Weeper likely will manage to take the Shadow Tower again.

I think the Weeper will capture Jeyne Poole's escort on her way to the Wall, Theon may be with them. I think after Jon has situation under control at CB with Tormund with him, he will deal with the Weeper first.

I think Jon and Weeper will agree to single combat, a duel between Jon and the Weeper. I think it will be an inverted parallel to Arthur Dayne vs the Smiling Knight. Arthur Dayne also won the smallfok of the kingswood over from Toyne while Jon wins over the wildlings from the Haunted Forest from the Weeper.

Inversions:

Smiling Knight ---> Weeping Man

Sword of the Morning wearing white---> Member of the Night's Watch wearing black

Dawn, blade pale as milkglass---> Longclaw, Valyrian steel with dark blade

Ulmer fought with the kidnappers--->Ulmer fights against the kidnappers

Jeyne Swann and her septa sworn to celibacy--->Jeyne Poole and Aly Mormont who is a warrior woman who became a mother at 14

I think Jon will fight the Weeper, Longclaw vs the Weeper's scythe. Jon will no doubt be angry after being possibly being revealed his true heritage while he was "dead," and he will be angry at the Weeper if he thinks he kidnapped and.or harmed his sister, Arya. We have seen what Jon does when angry: escaping the grasp of one boy and flying at Toad, vaulting over the table towards Thorne, lifting Alliser Thorne off the ground with one hand, pummeling the more experienced Iron Emmett in the training yard to the point he needs two men to pull him off, and pulling a spear with one of his rangers' heads from the ground where four men struggle with the other two. The Weeper may have to deal with what is a real "waking the dragon."

I think Jon will manage to break his scythe, and possibly give him a chance to get a new weapon, and when their fight finally resumes, Jon kills him.