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  1. Fire Eater

    Quentyn's arc is preparation for Dany's

    The entire narrative in Dany's head is basically one out of traditional fantasy: her family, the rightful kings, once ruled Westeros until one day the Usurper and his dogs overthrew them with Jaime Lannister breaking his vows by killing his king and the Usurper slaying her great, noble brother, Rhaegar, who died for the woman he loved. Daenerys, the rightful Queen of Westeros and the only Targaryen heir left, is destined to reclaim her family's throne from the usurpers and put things to right in her troubled kingdom. There is one person who could destroy that narrative: Jon Snow. Daenerys would learn that her father murdered Lord Rickard and Brandon, and then called for the heads of Ned and Robert. Jaime killed her father to stop him from burning down KL. The Usurper's dog, Ned Stark, actually raised the Targaryen heir in hiding, protecting him from the Usurper. She learns that the Usurper and his dogs were completely justified in rebelling against her father, and that she isn't rightful heir to the Targaryen dynasty, someone else is. The whole story she lived her life by is just one big lie.
  2. Fire Eater

    stannis and the valonqar

    "Wrap his hands"= wrap the Hand's chain (which is made of gold hands) around her neck. Also, Tyrion managed to strangle Shae with the Hand's chain with just one arm, and he isn't as strong as Jaime. He could assume the office of Hand if Mace (likely) dies, just to keep things running, especially with an increasingly unstable Cersei.
  3. Fire Eater

    stannis and the valonqar

    I already clearly explained that in my first post in this thread.
  4. Fire Eater

    stannis and the valonqar

    I think Jaime would succeed, but Cersei, who always thought she should have gotten the sword instead of Jaime, pulls his sword from its scabbard and mortally wounds him. With his one hand occupied, he couldn't block her attempt to stab him, but he would succeed in strangling her before succumbing to his wound.
  5. Fire Eater

    Victarion GreyJoy is a Jerk

    Some like him due to him being a big, strong warrior. In truth, he is like Robert in that he has all the warrior virtues, but little of any of the other ones. He is also a racist, a rapist, a homophobe and almost never challenges conventions. The author himself called Victarion a dumbass. His chapters are interesting though.
  6. Fire Eater

    stannis and the valonqar

    Except Tyrion goes against GRRM's own words on prophecy in that it should be "too literal or too easy." You're forgetting about the Hand's chain which is made up of hands. Tyrion managed to strangle Shae with one arm with it.
  7. The topic is about the Martells in FaB. There are a few where I don't even apply the categorization.
  8. IMO, it takes a bold, adventurous spirit to do what she did, take her entire people out of their homeland in search of a new one as well as lead armies in battle. The term adventurous itself means "willing to take risks or to try out new methods, ideas, or experiences" according to the Oxford Dictionary. And again, do you actually have anything to say at all about the Martells in FaB? That is what this topic is about.
  9. Try staying to the topic please of the Martells in Fire and Blood. Any thought? I never said Nymeria was reckless, just bold and adventurous. Those two traits led her people to safe haven. They worked to save them from the Valyrians the first time.
  10. Regarding Meria, I think the Dornish placed more blame on the Targaryens since they were the invaders burning them in dragonflame. There is also the "rally around the flag" effect. Deria never backed anyone publicly is what you mean. However, covertly is a different story. She was smart enough to keep her actions hidden.
  11. This topic is pretty self-explanatory. This is all about the Martells. I think we get a dynamic of “dry” Martells and “wet” Martells. The pre-Nymeria Martells were known for caution while Nymeria was bold and adventurous. “Dry” Martells follow the patient, cautious approach such as Doran. Then we have the “wet” Martells who are bold, reckless and adventurous such as Arianne, Oberyn, and the Sand Snakes. Meria is the first one we meet. She is easily a wet Martell. She doesn't lack for intelligence in being the only one smart enough to use guerrilla warfare against the dragons. However, her actions like throwing Lord Rosby out the window, and letting captured knights be tortured if it is true manages to take points off. It doesn't take a lot to see that mistreatment of highborn prisoners-of-war would result in their families howling for vengeance, especially with Aegon's Hand and only close friend losing a hand. Although, to be fair for the last one, she wasn't present when Wyl did that. It only resulted in making the Dornish situation worse. Nymor is a dry Martell. He manages to achieve the Martells' aim of ending the war in a way his mother couldn't: through diplomacy. What Meria couldn't win with spears, Nymor won with a letter. Deria is a dry Martell like her father. Her reign is marked by celebrating an anniversary of the peace with Aegon I and Aenys. She also gave covert support to the first Vulture King while denouncing him in public. It reminds one of Doran locking up the Sand Snakes only to be secretly supporting the Targaryen cause against the Lannisters. Morion is a wet Martell in the extreme, in that he is worse than Oberyn and even, the Sand Snakes. He departs from his forebears in waging not a war to defend Dorne from Targaryen invaders, but invading the Targaryen kingdom. He thought he had a chance at conquering the stormlands against the rest of the Seven Kingdoms combined and the Targaryens' dragons, which he thought he could counter with scorpions and crossbows. He was raised on stories of Dornish resistance to Aegon and his sisters. He got stories of glory, but missed the parts that would have made him think twice. For starters, the grievous price Dorne paid with every castle burned in dragonflame. Meraxes being killed by a scorpion amounts more to pure luck since scorpions are siege weapons designed for large, stationary targets and are difficult to effectively aim, especially against a moving target in the sky covered in armored scales. It was a one in a million shot with the bolt firing from the exact right place at the exact right time. He didn't even concern himself with potential retaliation from the Targaryens for the invasion. The result was the most lopsided, disastrous and humiliating defeat in Dornish history: every man fielded in the Dornish army was killed while the Targaryens got zero casualties. It wasn't a battle, it wasn't even a slaughter, it was a barbecue. For all intents, and purposes I'm calling the battle "The Fishfry." His Fishfry earns him the status of the DUMBEST Prince of Dorne if not the dumbest Martell, in history. Qoren may have fought Daemon in the Stepstones to avoid an old rival family from gaining control of a sea lane that has been vital for Dornish trade and potentially threaten Dorne form the Narrow Sea if Dorne ever wars with the Targaryens again. However, he stayed out of the Dance of Dragons. The memory of Aegon's Conquest and the more recent Fishfry no doubt influenced his decision. I think his descendant Arianne will likely get herself involved. He also expanded Dornish territory by taking a few of the Stepstones. although I don't know how long Dorne held onto them. Aliandra reminds me a lot of Arianne. Encouraging her lords to raid their neighbor is definitely a wet Martell thing. She also seems attracted to Oakenfist to the point that she gives him aid, and being attracted to adventurous guys with Valyrian features is definitely in line with Arianne.
  12. Fire Eater

    Will Jon be Dany's heir

    Except it doesn't take a lot to see that Robert would shortly send a force to Dragonstone with the small garrison being alone against an overwhelming force of Northmen, riverlords, Stormlanders and westermen led by none other than Tywin Lannister, and even so, that fleet doesn't change their vows or their duty as KG. Their vows would have required them to guard the royal family on Dragonstone if Jon was a bastard. Dayne's family could have provided Lyanna the protection she needed. Willis FelI was protecting a legitimate heir to the IT, and he did it knowing full well that his king was already safe somewhere else. Guarding the king, that is their highest duty. They could perform other duties so long as it didn't conflict with objective of the first: making sure the king is safe. LC Hightower tells as much to Jaime: You swore a vow to guard the king, not to judge him. Viserys clearly wasn't safe with an impending assault on Dragonstone, and the vows of the KG would have required them to go to Dragonstone, as choosing to stay at the ToJ with a bastard during such a time would have been a dereliction of their duty. When they started staying at the ToJ, their king, Aerys, had four KG with him. By the fall of KG, Viserys, the king in this scenario, had none. He also wasn't safe in hiding. Nothing this man did was accepted? That completely ignores his ban on the Faith Militant, which was accepted by Jaehaerys I and his successors. Viserys I naming Rhaenyra his heir is a poor analogy given Viserys I didn't have precedent and rather went against the precedent of the Great Council and Jaehaerys's ascension in doing that. Rhaegar, by contrast, had plenty of precedent for polygamy and eloping. The example you give is poor as well given, even ignoring the outright ludicrousness, Maegor had precedent for none of the things you described Saying Dragonstone isn't part of the Seven Kingdoms is really reaching, given it doesn't fit with geography. Dragonstone is clearly accepted as part of the Westeros, as it was only settled a few centuries ago by Valyrians and the population was/is mainly Westerosi and worshiped the Seven as evidenced by the septs. Dragonstone was under the Targaryen domain, but so were the rest of the Seven Kingdoms eventually. How long he was a polygamist is completely irrelevant as is how long he was a polygamist father. The High Septon still crowned him when he was already married to both his sisters. There is also no rule that says you need to be married to more than one wife X amount of years to be considered a polygamist, and the same can be said for a polygamist father. Yet, Aenys could have declared Maegor's marriage unlawful, but didn't. With attitudes toward polygamy, it actually depends which Targaryen king you're talking about. Yes, more Targaryen kings practiced monogamy than polygamy, and some were uncomfortable with polygamy like Viserys I and Jaehaerys I, the latter's case due in no small part to the memory of his uncle. However, it hasn't been effectively banned. Aegon I's polygamy was accepted despite some grumbling, and some Blackfyre supporters supported the claim that Daemon was promised Daenerys as a second wife, meaning there was at least some level of acceptance. Lyanna followed the Old Gods, and could have insisted on a marriage before a heart tree. Also, Maegor had polygamous marriages held by a septon. There is precedent from him. I also don't think I've seen the Westerosi wedding vows. How Westeros would have responded to Rhaegar taking Lyanna s a second wife? There would be shock and grumbling, especially from Robert and Rickard, but whether his marriage would be able to be dissolved is another question. The two men mentioned would push for it to be dissolved along with some other lords, but one can't get results simply by demanding them. I agree that it would be a mess. Even when the High Septon warred against the Targaryens, while he declared them abominations, and even monsters, he didn't declare either Aenys or Maegor bastards, meaning he accepted them as trueborn. Fighting the Others would require the Westerosi to unify, there is no other way. After the fight, with the shared sacrifice, they could decide that a Great Council might be the best way to solve the issue of the crown given the War for Dawn and the War of Five Kings before it would have exhausted them, and they wouldn't want to do any more fighting. They have also known no government other than a monarchy so it makes sense they would want a king. The reader knows the case, but not the public in Westeros. The only time it is mentioned is in a footnote as a theory pushed by Mushroom. The chances are the public heard a different story, the official one Velaryons put forward: Addam and Alyn are Laenor's bastard sons. The problem with the example you provided with Hugh, Nettles, etc is that none of them claimed to be the progeny of any existing Targaryens or Velaryons. I know the proof would be in the testimony, maybe something in Lyanna's crypt and Jon proving he has blood of the dragon. The problem of the theory of Ashara as Jon's mom is that Ned would have to have stayed in Dorne for at least nine months, or if Ashara gave birth before he arrived, he would have had to have visited Dorne in the middle of Robert's Rebellion. Mounting a dragon would at least make Dany consider, since Jon couldn't have gotten the blood of the dragon from the Starks. Especially with Ashara's testimony, which would be credible given she personally knew Rhaegar, and wouldn't want to disgrace his memory by putting a Stark bastard on the IT. Also, as to your last claim, where would Jon get a Dragonbinder? If he had one and used it, everyone would hear. Daenerys would recognize the sound. We can effectively rule that scenario/argument out. How? Credibly, how would his heritage be uncovered in your scenario in a way that is accepted? Viserys didn't know about Jon, and he never issued a decree officially naming her his heir like the first Viserys did. Daenerys wouldn't play that card given she already has the card of Aegon being fake. Hence, why Jon convinces Daenerys and everyone with her. It is going to be accepted and revealed, or there is no point in putting it in the story. I don't think Jon is going to be KitN. He would give WF to Rickon. His royal heritage is going to play a role as he doesn't need to be a Targaryen to fight the Others. Who says kings can't be heroes? Hell, Brandon the Builder was one of the heroes, and likely was the last hero. I don't think Dany would rule with him, as I don't think she'll survive the series. If Jon gets the crown, it wouldn't a be fairy tale ending, given he would have a huge pile of dogsh!t at the foot of the IT with a huge debt, and a realm devastated by war and winter.
  13. Well, it is an interesting theory. Mysaria's description could be that of an albino, and House Targaryen has known its share with Bloodraven, who was also a master of whisperers. There is also her sobriquet "White Worm." It could be a mishearing of the word "wyrm" which has been used as a synonym for "dragon." Mysaria also does sound a lot similar to Saera.
  14. Fire Eater

    [Spoilers] Red Herrings

    How would Euron have found out where not to be? Every person who ventured there never returned. Aerea is the only exception, and she didn't live long enough to describe her experience there. There are no sources to go on that detail a safe place to land.
  15. I think pox could a synonym for syphilis in some cases.