Worthy Dane Posted June 7, 2007 Author Share Posted June 7, 2007 I like the idea of Myrcella and Trystane getting Casterly Rock while Dany sits the Iron Throne, but I don't think it is very likely, because of Cersei's prophecy. It seems to me that Myrcella will probably die in Dorne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Monkey Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 I wish Myrcella could get Casterly Rock, and Tommen ought to marry Shireen and get Storm's End. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Targaryen Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 I wish Myrcella could get Casterly Rock, and Tommen ought to marry Shireen and get Storm's End. Didn't Stannis come down in the negative on that Tommen-Shireen marriage? So, I guess if Stannis dies with Shireen still alive it might happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Jon Snow Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 Yes, but that was when Tommen was a Cersei puppet. If Cersei is deposed and Tommen remains king with a new Regent and Kevan makes peace with Stannis, he may change his mind. His daughter and grandson would still sit the throne, and perhaps with a place in KL, Stannis might consider being Hand or Regent as an acceptable solution. Who am I kidding, Stannis is too hardassed to accept that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender of the Rock Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 A better match for stability would be Tommen and Arianne, would keep Dorne in line and may appease them knowing they have one of their own on the throne! Although after what Darkstar did i cant see that happening this side of hell freezing over. :bow: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Targaryen Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 Yes, but that was when Tommen was a Cersei puppet. If Cersei is deposed and Tommen remains king with a new Regent and Kevan makes peace with Stannis, he may change his mind. His daughter and grandson would still sit the throne, and perhaps with a place in KL, Stannis might consider being Hand or Regent as an acceptable solution. Who am I kidding, Stannis is too hardassed to accept that. Nah, I don't think so. Stannis mentioned something about "abomination" when he put the brakes on Shireen marrying Tommen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Monkey Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 That's because he's never met Tommen. If he holds the little guy in his arms for just one minute, he'll see why he was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Targaryen Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 That's because he's never met Tommen. If he holds the little guy in his arms for just one minute, he'll see why he was wrong. Stannis was in KL for many years while Tommen was there. He knows Tommen well enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Monkey Posted June 11, 2007 Share Posted June 11, 2007 Stannis was in KL for many years while Tommen was there. He knows Tommen well enough. Then how can he still hate the little guy? His heart must be made of ice or shadow or something. Hey, could Stannis be the Night's King? That would explain his irrational hatred of Tommen and his attraction to mysterious sorceresses who feed him strange tales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enguerrand Posted June 11, 2007 Share Posted June 11, 2007 Then how can he still hate the little guy? His heart must be made of ice or shadow or something. Tommen is incestous bastard, an abomination that taints the Iron throne, I would expect most people in Westeros would call upon his death if they knew the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Jon Snow Posted June 11, 2007 Share Posted June 11, 2007 Nah, I don't think so. Stannis mentioned something about "abomination" when he put the brakes on Shireen marrying Tommen. You are probably right. Stannis doesn't seem motivated by lust for power or for his progeny. He wants the throne because it is RIGHTFULLY his. Accepting the incest goes against his nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scafloc Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 Tytos - Ruling Lord (dead, 1st son of Tybolt[?]) In one of the Jaime chapters of A Feast of Crows his aunt, Genna, says something like "younger children always crave the approval of older children, father being a younger son". It's in a discussion about why she loves her brother (Tywin) and why she was married to Emmon Frey. About the heritage; I think GRRM has said that if there are not true born children the succession is not always clear. Bastards migth succeed or brothers / sisters or their children. The discussion about the Hornwood succession proves that. Another point in Stannis' idea that Jon Snow or the Karstarks shell get Winterfell. So there is not clear order but possible heirs: 1 Cersei 2 Kevin if Cersei dies before taking possession of Casterly Rock 3 Tommen. If he lives long enough to get children he propably give it to a second son or to the children of Myrcella I bet that at the end of the books there will still be a Lannister in Casterly Rock. My money in on Tyrion or his children Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostsofWinterfell Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 Unless the fact that she is female takes precedence, Cersei is the true heir to Casterly Rock... with Jaime in the Kingsguard and Tyrion an outlaw... again if the female factor takes precedence, it goes to Kevan, but if not, when Tommen is of age to rule on his own, it is hers... (i admit to being a new member of the ASoIaF faith, so correct me if I am wrong!!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatuous Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 The true heir to Casterly Rock is Tyrek Lannister. From Feast of Crows Appendix, House Lannister: Cersei - Well, she's dead, just a matter of time. Present Lady of Casterly Rock. Jaime - Kingsguard. Tyrion - Tywin's death settled that claim, once and for all. Tommon - Bastard son even though he's 100% Lannister. Happens to be King so there's that too. Myrcella- Princess, also a bastard. -Neither of Cersei's children seem to be in line for the Rock in the first place. Kevan- Cersei ended his chance when she didn't name him Warden or Castellan of the Rock. Also, his son is the presupposed Lord of Darry. Genna Lannister- Lady of Riverrun. Her children/grandchildren- Heirs of Riverrun Tyget Lannister- Dead Tyrek- Missing yet Jaime believes Varys kidnapped him. Curiously, this was long before Tywin was back in King's Landing. Giving how exact Varys' instructions were to Tyrion on how to get to Tywin, did Varys plan on Tywin's death before leaving King's Landing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackest_Fyre Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 Well, it depends on how you consider Tommen's status. If the Lannisters have their way and he is seen as the legitimate union of Cersei and Robert, then obviously he is the heir. There definitely isn't a rule that he can't inherit particular seat in the Seven Kingdoms simply b/c he also holds the Iron Throne. Robert, for instance, gave Storm's End to Renly, but he was carelessly generous and there was no rule that said that was what should have been done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the silent speaker Posted June 29, 2007 Share Posted June 29, 2007 Who is "Marcella"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worthy Dane Posted June 29, 2007 Author Share Posted June 29, 2007 Who is "Marcella"? Someone whose name is spelled incorrectly by many (and pronounced differently by everyone.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Monkey Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 Tommen is incestous bastard, an abomination that taints the Iron throne, I would expect most people in Westeros would call upon his death if they knew the truth. Most people in Westeros are dumb. I bet if they were all forced to hug Tommen then they wouldn't hate him anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Chanch The SolemnSword Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 Most people in Westeros are dumb. I bet if they were all forced to hug Tommen then they wouldn't hate him anymore. ahaha, tommens just as cute as any other kid in westeros and we've seen some horrendous things done to children in aSoIaF, personally i think tommen is soft and unfit to rule, not only because of his heritage but because of his upbringing too. Tyrion is Heir, Fuck Tywin, i think he'll end up on his rightful seat by the end too (probably partially thanks to jaime) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemrion Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 Tyrion is Heir, Fuck Tywin, i think he'll end up on his rightful seat by the end too (probably partially thanks to jaime) Tyrion is a kinslayer. In that society, a kinslayer as your overlord would be a recipe for disaster, everyone would be 'woe is me.' He'd be as shunned as the Freys are. He broke a 'God(s) rule'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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