Masamune Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Sorry, there's an absolute lack of evidence to suggest Syrio died. Not even a throwaway comment by Meryn Trant. How hard would it have been for GRRM to sneak that in if he really wanted to clear up any doubt? First rule of fiction: No corpse, no death (and even that's not a given in ASOIAF).I was buying into the:Syrio Forel as Jaqen H'ghar theory. But when I actually think about it, I'd rather the charismatic First Sword of Braavos was his own man and not a face-changing cutthroat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What Is Dead Already Died Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Once again GRRM has said He doesn't understand why people keep thinking Syrio lived, he's not immortal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WakeTheDragon Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 I hope he makes a return at some point. The Braavosi seem to be most crafty, dangerous people on the planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masamune Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Once again GRRM has said He doesn't understand why people keep thinking Syrio lived, he's not immortal.1. Where is the official source of this quote?2. That doesn't translate into "Yes, Syrio is definitely, absolutely, positively, brown bread." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What Is Dead Already Died Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 In 2005, GRRM pointed out that Syrio seems to have been left in a hopeless situation when he was last seen, and suggested readers should “draw your own conclusions” based on this, which seems to imply that syrio forel was in fact killed. More recent reports (but, it should be said, unconfirmed) indicate GRRM does not understand why he gets asked the question repeatedly, pointing out that Syrio is not immortal; if accurate, this seems to more heavily imply that Syrio Forel is dead.http://www.westeros....FAQ/Entry/1999/On the previous page, It doesn't, but GRRM usually gets cagey around questions about characters that may re-appear later (Difference in answer Rhaenys/Aegon before ADWD was released, I'll look for the SSM on that), but with Syrio he doesn't seem cagey at all.Don't get me wrong, I love Syrio, hence my avatar. While its not conclusive beyond a doubt I just don't see any way he would have gotten out of that situation and Trant lives as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Chuck Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 This is one of those things I've never understood. There were two men still standing in that room when Arya fled and only one is known to have walked out alive. His name was Meryn Trant. I really don't see Syrio getting out of that room with Trant still breathing. He was a great character but so are all the others who end up dead. By the end of this thing, I figure more characters will be dead than alive and we're just going to have to accept it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Ben Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 I sure hope he's alive. I think it's likely, but not probable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samwell Tarly Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Maybe Syrio is a facelss man and turned into Ser Meryn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cory Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 ... Your just here to confuse people aren't you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aryus Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 I just got to this part in the book, and I'd say that even though GRRM didn't come out and explicitly say what happened regarding Syrio's fate, I still think he didn't leave that place alive. It seemed, in my opinion pretty blatant that Meryn Trant won; I can't see Syrio still surviving if Trant was left alive, but that's just the way I interpreted it. In a way, it makes sense to not have GRRM spell it out for us -- it's from Arya's perspective, and she didn't necessarily witness everything to the end (I'm going off of the book since I haven't been able to watch the HBO series). At that point, it would seem a little unnecessary for Syrio to just turn up again (as much as I do like the character) but those are just my two cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Blade of Winterfell Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 You have no idea how many fights go on in the forum about syrio. After you read clash of kings a certain character often reminds people of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errant Bard Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 In the same way Littlefinger reminds people of Ned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobble Head Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Syrio may or may not be dead. Everyone points out what Martin says about him not understanding why people think he is still alive and he isn't immortal. If you have ever heard martin speak about his unfinished works, then you know he is somewhat cryptic about the way he explains things, nothing is really given away to the reader/viewer. "Syrio did not run and Trant is still alive" is a horrible argument for Syrio being dead, they aren't mutually exclusive; most likely, if Syrio is alive, he knocked Trant unconscious like he did the with the others in the room. Also, with all the debate of whether he is dead or alive, you would think Martin would make it very clear that he was dead, he did write this episode and if he really wanted the character dead would have made it abundantly clear like many other internet arguments (Renly and Loras ARE/ARE NOT gay! lol) and not had a sword clank to the ground as Arya ran away. Martin is a tricky old dog, never assume ANYTHING is certain until it is, and even then it can still change. I don't know that Syrio is alive, he may just be a minor character that has no further use to Martin's story or he may come back, we won't know for sure unless he comes back. If he doesn't make a book return then there will always be those that say he survived and was not needed and then there will be those that think he died. Just my opinion... and we know what they say about opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithy Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Syrio gets beaten by Trant , knocked unconscious ,taken to the black cells to be dealt with later , changes his appearance and identity into Jaquen H'ghar so that he is safe if the watch come to get him to be executed , is picked out to become a member of the NW , and you know the rest , that's my theory anyways and it's as valid as any other until we get official explanation from GRRM about the two of them . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ealbiest Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 I really liked Syrio - and not least for taking on the impossible fight as Arya escapes. If he fought bravely and knowing he could not win, just to gain Arya the chance to escape, that is so much better story than just beating a bunch of losers and morphing into some other character. I'd feel disappointed, for Syrio's and his character's sake if he did not die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithy Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 mispost.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CerseiHateClub Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Yep. Martin would've outright said he was dead. You can say "I don't understand why people keep asking me this question... he's not immortal." in a trolling/joking way. George is a tricky guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errant Bard Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Martin would've outright said he was dead.No he would not. There are plenty of stuff that did happen which he refuses to elucidate. To take a random example from AGOT: he always was evasive concerning the person being Bran's murder attempt, yet it doesn't make the presence of this assassin in Bran's chamber a coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CerseiHateClub Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Yeah, but it's silly to just assume Syrio is dead just because of what George said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errant Bard Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Yeah, but it's silly to just assume Syrio is dead just because of what George said.Considering we don't even need a GRRM quote to draw that conclusion, I would object to the idea it's "just because" he said anything that people are thinking that Syrio is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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