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[ADwD Spoliers] Why young Griff is the real deal!


Adam West

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I have always been on the fence about if he is a real targ or not but i just looked up the quote on a wiki of ice and fire and it is:

"The glass candles are burning. Soon comes the pale mare, and after her the others. Kraken and dark flame, lion andgriffin, the sun's son and the mummer's dragon. Trust none of them. Remember the Undying.[3] Beware the perfumed seneschal."

and it says mummer's as in with an 's implying ownership..........

If he is not a blackfyre I don't get why there were so extensively discussed in Dunk and Egg tales....

as i said i am on the fence leaning towards fake although it does not really bother me

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Hi! This is my first post here and I wanted to post about my feelings in regards to this "mummers dragon" theory.

It was said by many members that young griff may in fact be a false dragon perpetuated by Varys and Illyrio. While this scenario may be somewhat plausible, its validity is debunked by Varys himself.

As quotes in the epilogue:

"He is here. Aegon has been shaped for rule since before he could walk. He has been trained in arms, as befits a knight to be, but that was not the end of his education. He reads and writes, he speaks several tongues, he has studied history and law and poetry. A septa has instructed him in the mysteries of the Faith since he was old enough to understand them. He has lived with fisherfolk, worked with his hands, swum in rivers and mended nets and learned to wash his own clothes at need. He can fish and cook and bind up a wound, he knows what it is like to be hungry, to be hunted, to be afraid. Tommen has been taught that kingship is his right. Aegon knows that kingship is his duty, that a king must put his people first, and live and rule for them."

Now, if you think about. What does Varys gain by lying to a dying man? He must in fact believe that Aegon is the real deal. Otherwise, he would of mentioned that the kingdom will be taken by a false Targayren under his own control.

I believe that the mummers dragon may actually have been Quentin Martell. Or, yet to come.

Any thoughts?

He is the Great Pretender and will bring death and ruin upon the realm!

Daenerys (Dovahkiin) for the win. :bowdown: :agree:

I loved how Tyrion tried to proove how easy it was to decieve him into doing something totally stupid like attacking Westeros on his own. Where his legitimacy will be questioned and he has no Dragons.Yet he goes and does it anyway. :bang: Trained for rule? Yeah... Actually, Cersei has a massive crush on Raegar. Do you think she might try to marry Aegon against Tyrell. If Tommen is stolen away from her by the Tyrells and the Martells have her daughter I could actually imagine her trying. Or is that too much even for Cersei; turning her back on her own children?

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