Batman Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Except having the best POVs next to Arya. Wearing full plate on the ocean without care makes him a BAMF. He knows most of his opponents will not be wearing armor at sea for risk of drowning, making it much easier to take down opponents when outnumbered. A great naval tactician, he will never be. But for guerilla warfare at sea, boarding small fleets of ships and taking advantage of unarmored opponents and ships, he is the greatest.You and I have very different tastes in POV chapters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selyse's Moustache Rides Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Sansa comes to mind.Really? I'm pretty sure it would be inconceivable to her.Balon, Victarion, Euron, and Aeron all are pretty clear-cut villains. Theon is the only redeemable soul aHow is Aeron a villain? An insufferable, boorish twat, yea, but villain? He doesn't rape or kill or steal or do anything other than be a religious fanatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey Pentos Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Excuse me, there's a wall I need to bang my head against.Were you expecting the ironborn to be like the Vikings in How to train your dragon? Yet again, some posters can't resist indulging in presentism when discussing GRRMs world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuisDantas Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 How is Aeron a villain? An insufferable, boorish twat, yea, but villain? He doesn't rape or kill or steal or do anything other than be a religious fanatic.I feel that you answered your question. Aeron is fully aware that his culture is based on preying and reaving, and he encourages it to remain that way. Nor can he be excused because "it is his culture and he doesn't know better", because he does know better. Both Asha and Baelor Blacktyde have spoken of more constructive alternatives in his presence, and he gives them no attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scipio Africanus Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 In this thread: haters.Victarion's ex-wife had it coming. Fact.Haha.I got the impression Euron violated her, because Euron says the sex was consentious. If Euron says something to good ol' Vic you know it's a lie. Even Vic knows this.So Euron rapes a salt wife (=sex slave) but the salt wife had it coming being beaten to death.But even if Euron didn't rape the salt wife, the said salt wife doesn't have much power to do anything against it. Because she's a salt wife. Could also be she just went along because she always goes along when Vic got urges. It's not like she can go to Vic and say, "hey your asshole brother wants to pound me". Somehow I get the feeling Vic would've starting beating her to death because she got uppity and probably wouldn't believe a sex slave over his brother.Either way the salt wife "gets what she deserves". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danm_999 Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 How is Aeron a villain? An insufferable, boorish twat, yea, but villain? He doesn't rape or kill or steal or do anything other than be a religious fanatic.Err, he does have Benfred Tallhart drowned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howling Mad Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 I'm not a not a fan of the Greyjoys. The entire ironborn society should be sacraficed for the common good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuisDantas Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 In a sense, yes.From Theon, the Reader, Asha and House Blacktyde, or even that mute that Wyman Manderly met, we know of lots of evidence that the Ironborn aren't all really into pillaging and reaving. It is possible to convince them into more civilized ways of living if you can get them protected from the violent peer pressure of their current society model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selyse's Moustache Rides Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Aeron just doesn't scream "villain" to me. Enabler of other villains? Yea. Bad person? Could be. Not all bad persons are villains, though. Villains are thoroughly evil. He's not hindering any of the protagonists, and he's not reaving/raping/pillaging, either. He's a dick, but not really a villain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masamune Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Hmmm.... well... he abhors slavery. That's got to count for something... right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selyse's Moustache Rides Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Err, he does have Benfred Tallhart drowned.errr, how many people has Arya killed? Let's not use whether or not a person has killed as a metric for villainy, especially in GRRM's world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuisDantas Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 I can't believe I have to spell it out, but: Aeron is an influential person. He fully expects to be followed and has good reason to. And he encourages his society to keep on preying and killing.Ergo, he is a villain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost the direwolf Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Still that does not make him a vilain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuisDantas Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 I beg your pardon? What would make him a villain then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEvilKing Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Victarion's POV chapters were the highlight of ADWD. I wholeheartedly look forward to more. Also, I want to know what the fuck happened in that room with Moqorro.Great glory awaits Victarion Greyjoy. I bid good luck to his foes. They will need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danm_999 Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 errr, how many people has Arya killed? Let's not use whether or not a person has killed as a metric for villainy, especially in GRRM's world.Well, the devil is in the details. Arya tends to have better justification for killing the people she does than Aeron did (because Tallhart was saying nasty things about the Drowned God).I'd disagree that Aeron is a full blown villain, but he does kill people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkash Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 I disagree. I have never heard the term in the books. The best Asha can do is take a lover like Quarl or Tris. Not even poor Tris; left aside... I like his character, hope to learn more about the Botleys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP Dayne Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 oh look a hate thread about the most awesome character in the seriesI"ll just say that you can't compare big vic's actions based on your own set of morals, because his are VERY different from yourstruth be told, had ai been Ironborn, I'd prolly do the same shit. same as you. we are products of our own environmentthe sacrifices are based on religion, and ironborn supremacy. his salt wives are a normal thing in his society, and so on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuisDantas Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 To the extent that people should be judged at all, their sets of morals are the main criterium by which we should judge them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brony Stark Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 oh look a hate thread about the most awesome character in the seriesI"ll just say that you can't compare big vic's actions based on your own set of morals, because his are VERY different from yourstruth be told, had ai been Ironborn, I'd prolly do the same shit. same as you. we are products of our own environmentthe sacrifices are based on religion, and ironborn supremacy. his salt wives are a normal thing in his society, and so onWell said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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