Daedriic Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 We still haven't seen the full story but I'd like your speculations for it anywayRhaegar strolling around with his harp and being all like 'dudes I totally need some ice to my fire and its all according to the *dun dun dunnn* prophecy... And stuff. Yeah laters!'Yeah, he must have had a lot more than a prophecy to go on to make him do what he did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordStoneheart Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Copied from the other thread: I think Lyanna went directly to Rhaegar to get the betrothal to Robert undone and he promised to help her, but along the way they fell in love. What attracted them to each other was their need for a love connection. Rhaegar had a wife he was "fond" of but not like true love, and Lyanna did not want to be forced to Robert for obvious reasons. What they found in each other was possibly a reaction to the marriages they did not want and the need for an escape. I don't think that's necessarily "justifying" it in that it doesn't make them look as good as "prophecy baby," but as a wise man said, love is the death of duty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Winter Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Besides the obvious one (they fell in love and eloped), there are two speculations I find rather interesting: 1) Lyanna sought Rhaegar so he could undo her betrothal to Robert, which she was unhappy with2) Aerys knew or suspected Lyanna of being KOTL. Knowing his father's madness, Rhaegar thought Lyanna's life was in danger and helped her escape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStarkInWinterhell Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 1. Rhaegar is not King. Nor does he have the kings favor. So he could not undo any betrothal. So to think she would seek him out about a year after Harrenhal to fix her problems is nonsensical. 2. Aerys was bat shit crazy. Yet didn't know Lyanna was the Mystery Knight. If that was the case though and he wanted to keep her safe. Why would Rhaegar not take her to Riverrun, Winterfell or the Vale?Rhaegar was crazy like his family, but in his on way. Prophecy, depression, and who knows what else blinded him to the bigger picture. People say he would have been a great king. Yet his action and apparent lack of knowledge of how the game is played proves otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VVSINGOFTHECROSS Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 1. Rhaegar is not King. Nor does he have the kings favor. So he could not undo any betrothal. So to think she would seek him out about a year after Harrenhal to fix her problems is nonsensical.2. Aerys was bat shit crazy. Yet didn't know Lyanna was the Mystery Knight. If that was the case though and he wanted to keep her safe. Why would Rhaegar not take her to Riverrun, Winterfell or the Vale?Rhaegar was crazy like his family, but in his on way. Prophecy, depression, and who knows what else blinded him to the bigger picture. People say he would have been a great king. Yet his action and apparent lack of knowledge of how the game is played proves otherwise.This. Lyanna was also kind of a hypocrite if she went with Rhaegar willingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordStoneheart Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 1. Rhaegar is not King. Nor does he have the kings favor. So he could not undo any betrothal. So to think she would seek him out about a year after Harrenhal to fix her problems is nonsensical. That's not an obstacle. Rhaegar is still Crown Prince and has an influence at court. Plus, Lyanna could both be unaware of the specifics of the Aerys/Rhaegar dynamic, or she could have been aware and just needed some sort of support. I didn't suggest that Rhaegar could wave a wand and poof, the marriage is done. I said Lyanna sought his help. That's not out of the question, and if their romance really did blossom from the KotLT incident, he would be willing to help even if he can't help as effectively as you think I suggested (which I didn't.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordStoneheart Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Lyanna was also kind of a hypocrite if she went with Rhaegar willingly. No she wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkdude103 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Rhegar was horny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Dragon the Crispy Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 TPTWP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetsunray Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 As Patti would say (million dollar matchmaker): the p** does the picking and he wasn't gonna let her slip away: took her out on a date, and sealed the deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King17 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Justify it I can't the ran away together or lyanna kidnapped either way their foolishness caused thousands to die I hope one or both of them are rotting in hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj4iy Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Can't justify his reasons when we don't know what they were to start with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby b's bobby Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Wait how dies Rhaegar have any authority on who she marries he's not her farther/head of her family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matchesmcfly Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 it'll be justified if and when Jon plays the intrical part in saving the realm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoenixfromAshes Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 After listening to the radio westeros, what if Rhaegar rescued Lyanna instead of kidnapping her? Aerys found out that she's the knight of the laughing tree and wanted to arrest her but Rhaegar got in the way. They might have fallen in love later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordStoneheart Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Wait how dies Rhaegar have any authority on who she marries he's not her farther/head of her family. Well he did have his own island castle and was well loved and respected by many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Tail of the Dragon Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Easily. The North didn't need an alliance with the Stormlands, but the realm needed TPTWP. Therefore, both love and duty supported running away. As far the war, Aerys was a lunatic who was completely unchecked after Tywin resigned. If Rhaegar and Lyanna had never existed, Aerys would have still managed to provoke a rebellion soon enough. The only reason Rhaegar is responsible for the rebellion is that he didn't remove his dad quick enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICRYRAGE Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 The Dragon has 3 heads, he needs one more child and his current wife can not have anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby b's bobby Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Well he did have his own island castle and was well loved and respected by many.So he can't tell lord stark one of the top ten most powerful people who his daughter can marry well he can then lord stark tell him to piss off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordStoneheart Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 So he can't tell lord stark one of the top ten most powerful people who his daughter can marry well he can then lord stark tell him to piss off.Can you not read? I said "I think Lyanna went directly to Rhaegar to get the betrothal to Robert undone and he promised to help her." That doesn't mean I think Rhaegar had the ultimate power to help her, it just means that Lyanna thought he could help. And again, Crown Prince. Well loved. He is not a powerless man, and it's not a bad assumption to think that he could have helped.I also have proposed the idea that Rhaegar was in contact with Rickard about deposing Aerys as the world book hints at, so he could have been a part of it too. Notice how Brandon is the one who called for Rhaegar, not Rickard. Rickard only went there for his son, not to rescue Lyanna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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