The Second Wall: The Gates of The Dawn and The Veil of Night

[Daendrew]

The Black and Bloodied Gates of The Dawn EndGame of Thones: Part 22

There are parallels between the Bloody gate and The Black Gate. Both gates guard The Dawn. And both gates are guarded by men in “black”. The Bloody Gate may be even more important than The Wall in restoring The Dawn.

The Bloody Gate was lead by its “Lord Commander” equivalent Brynden Blackfish.

This commander of The Bloody Gate traditionally asks the question, "Who would pass the Bloody Gate?" to all who would pass through. Brynden keeps this formality even when he sees his sister.

His horse and his armor were grey, but his cloak was the rippling blue-and-red of Riverrun, and a shiny black fish, wrought in gold and obsidian, pinned its folds against his shoulder. "Who would pass the Bloody Gate?" he called.

"Ser Donnel Waynwood, with the Lady Catelyn Stark and her companions," the young knight answered.

"May we enter the Vale?" Ser Donnel asked. The Waynwoods were ever ones for ceremony.

"In the name of Robert Arryn, Lord of the Eyrie, Defender of the Vale, True Warden of the East [notice it is not Jaime Lannister], I bid you enter freely, and charge you to keep his peace," Ser Brynden replied. "Come."

And so she rode behind him, beneath the shadow of the Bloody Gate where a dozen armies had dashed themselves to pieces in the Age of Heroes. On the far side of the stoneworks, the mountains opened up suddenly upon a vista of green fields, blue sky, and snowcapped mountains that took her breath away. The Vale of Arryn bathed in the morning light.

It stretched before them to the misty east, a tranquil land of rich black soil, wide slow-moving rivers, and hundreds of small lakes that shone like mirrors in the sun, protected on all sides by its sheltering peaks.

-A Game of Thrones - Catelyn VI

So we have men of the “black” armored in obsidian, a peculiar formality in a ceremony in passing through, who have taken no wife and fathered no children. A dozen armies had dashed themselves to pieces in the Age of Heroes. I would venture to say those pieces were broken shards of Others. Once you entered the vale we have black from the soil. But the castle is bathed in morning light. Another name for morning light, is The Dawn. With small lakes that mirror the sun, as Others hate light, mirrors may yet play a role.

Now lets think about another gate of the First Men, The Black Gate. But first lets take a closer look at the Night’s Watch vow.

Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the fire that burns against the cold, the light that brings the dawn, the horn that wakes the sleepers, the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all the nights to come.

It does not say I am the watcher on the wall. It says I am the watcher on the walls. Plural.

We have the Five Forts in Essos. We have The Wall in The North. That makes six. The Seven may still play their part with the magic number. Could The Gates of The Moon be the seventh wall?

Lets explore how Sam went through The Black Gate.

When someone approaches the Black Gate, the eyes open. They are white and blind, and then the door asks:

"Who are you?"

"I am the sword in the darkness," Samwell Tarly said. "I am the watcher on the walls. I am the fire that burns against the cold, the light that brings the dawn, the horn that wakes the sleepers. I am the shield that guards the realms of men."

"Then pass," the door said. Its lips opened, wide and wider and wider still, until nothing at all remained but a great gaping mouth in a ring of wrinkles. Sam stepped aside and waved Jojen through ahead of him. Summer followed, sniffing as he went, and then it was Bran's turn. Hodor ducked, but not low enough. The door's upper lip brushed softly against the top of Bran's head, and a drop of water fell on him and ran slowly down his nose. It was strangely warm, and salty as a tear.

-A Storm of Swords - Bran IV

They are both creations of First Men and/or The Children and it sounds like The Bloody Gate may be built in part by Weirwood. That is the reason for it’s true name was lost to history. Blood sacrifice. The dozens of armies that had dashed themselves to pieces in the Age of Heroes and since have only made it more powerful.

In The Garden of Edenos I theorized the reason the wall was erected and the purpose of the Night’s Watch was to keep men away from The Ironwood Tree of Eternal Life, the counterpart to The Weirwood Tree of Knowledge that men ate from. This caused us to forget why The Watch fought against the Freefolk; so they did not get to the Ironwood and start an apocalyptic war.

The reason I believe there is another Wall in The Vale is directly connected to House Royce.

The First Men only left us runes on rocks, so everything we think we know about the Age of Heroes and the Dawn Age and the Long Night comes from accounts set down by septons thousands of years later.

- A Feast for Crows - Samwell I

The ancient crown of the Kings of Winter had been lost three centuries ago, yielded up to Aegon the Conqueror when Torrhen Stark knelt in submission. What Aegon had done with it no man could say. Lord Hoster's smith had done his work well, and Robb's crown looked much as the other was said to have looked in the tales told of the Stark kings of old; an open circlet of hammered bronze incised with the runes of the First Men, surmounted by nine black iron spikes wrought in the shape of longswords. Of gold and silver and gemstones, it had none; bronze and iron were the metals of winter, dark and strong to fight against the cold.

- A Clash of Kings - Catelyn I

The words of House Royce are “We Remember.” Their seat is Runestone. The secret to The Dawn is inscribed in those runes.

However Littlefinger has just given House Royce The Gates of The Moon.

“Dragons came from the moon," blond Doreah said as she warmed a towel over the fire. Jhiqui and Irri were of an age with Dany, Dothraki girls taken as slaves when Drogo destroyed their father's khalasar. Doreah was older, almost twenty. Magister Illyrio had found her in a pleasure house in Lys.

Silvery-wet hair tumbled across her eyes as Dany turned her head, curious. "The moon?"

"He told me the moon was an egg, Khaleesi," the Lysene girl said. "Once there were two moons in the sky, but one wandered too close to the sun and cracked from the heat. A thousand thousand dragons poured forth, and drank the fire of the sun. That is why dragons breathe flame. One day the other moon will kiss the sun too, and then it will crack and the dragons will return."

-A Game of Thrones - Daenerys III

The light of a thousand thousand giant “dragons” may yet pour forth from The Moon.

But not the one above.

And Joramun blew the Horn of Winter, and woke giants from the earth

.

He looked for great swords ten feet long, but saw only clubs.

-A Storm of Swords – Jon II

The Vale was narrow

here, no more than a half day’s ride across, and the northern mountains seemed so close that Catelyn could almost reach out and touch them.

Looming over them all was the jagged peak called the Giant’s Lance, a mountain that even mountains looked up to, its head lost in icy mists three and a half miles above the valley floor.

Over its massive western shoulder flowed the ghost torrent of Alyssa’s Tears. Even from this distance, Catelyn could make out the shining silver thread, bright against the dark stone.

The “Giant’s lance” is mentioned 22 times in the series and waking “giants from” the earth is mentioned 8 times. plus twice more in the new Alayne Winds of Winter chapter. Where Littlefinger, who himself once had the sigil of the giant Titan of Braavos had this cake prepared:

“I am the horn that wakes the sleepers” is the Nights Watch’s oath. But the giants are by “the other Wall.” The giants should not be on the other side of Westeros by The Wall if their Lance is in The Vale. “I am the watcher on The Walls.” They say. These Walls are plural.

cooks prepared a splendid subtlety,

a lemon cake in the shape of the Giant’s Lance, twelve feet tall and adorned with an Eyrie made of sugar… The cake had required every lemon in the Vale,

but Petyr had promised that he would send to Dorne for more.

Petyr Baelish is not the giant we were hoping for though. His association with it concerns me. See this post on the role of Braavos and The House of Black and White in the coming battle for the dawn. Making Sansa destroy the giant by consuming it, going to great lengths to get every lemon in The Vale is not a good sign at all.

unJon will take back the horn from Sam and sound The Horn of Jorumon three times. The Wall will come tumbling down.

As the Wall falls, Fire Giants will awaken from stone to battle the Ice Giants. The Bloody Gate will be the only “Wall” standing against the Others…

Unless Petyr Baelish has different ideas.

The Vale is coming dangerously close to leading Planetos to the Veil of darkness.

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[Daendrew]

Which brave soul will comment first?

[Joe Pesci]

The Black and Bloodied Gates of The Dawn EndGame of Thones: Part 22

There are parallels between the Bloody gate and The Black Gate. Both gates guard The Dawn. And both gates are guarded by men in “black”. The Bloody Gate may be even more important than The Wall in restoring The Dawn.

The Bloody Gate was lead by its “Lord Commander” equivalent Brynden Blackfish.

This commander of The Bloody Gate traditionally asks the question, "Who would pass the Bloody Gate?" to all who would pass through. Brynden keeps this formality even when he sees his sister.

His horse and his armor were grey, but his cloak was the rippling blue-and-red of Riverrun, and a shiny black fish, wrought in gold and obsidian, pinned its folds against his shoulder. "Who would pass the Bloody Gate?" he called.

"Ser Donnel Waynwood, with the Lady Catelyn Stark and her companions," the young knight answered.

"May we enter the Vale?" Ser Donnel asked. The Waynwoods were ever ones for ceremony.

"In the name of Robert Arryn, Lord of the Eyrie, Defender of the Vale, True Warden of the East [notice it is not Jaime Lannister], I bid you enter freely, and charge you to keep his peace," Ser Brynden replied. "Come."

And so she rode behind him, beneath the shadow of the Bloody Gate where a dozen armies had dashed themselves to pieces in the Age of Heroes. On the far side of the stoneworks, the mountains opened up suddenly upon a vista of green fields, blue sky, and snowcapped mountains that took her breath away. The Vale of Arryn bathed in the morning light.

It stretched before them to the misty east, a tranquil land of rich black soil, wide slow-moving rivers, and hundreds of small lakes that shone like mirrors in the sun, protected on all sides by its sheltering peaks.

-A Game of Thrones - Catelyn VI

So we have men of the “black” armored in obsidian, a peculiar formality in a ceremony in passing through, who have taken no wife and fathered no children. A dozen armies had dashed themselves to pieces in the Age of Heroes. I would venture to say those pieces were broken shards of Others. Once you entered the vale we have black from the soil. But the castle is bathed in morning light. Another name for morning light, is The Dawn. With small lakes that mirror the sun, as Others hate light, mirrors may yet play a role.

So who exactly is amored in obsidian, because an obsidian pin holding a cloak is not armor. And who is the man in black guarding the Bloody Gate after Brynden leaves the Vale if it is so important?

How can you possibly turn defeated armies into broken shards of Others?

And come on, the castle is bathed in morning light because that's what happens when the sun comes up.

[Daendrew]

He is not just in black but in obsidian. He has freaking dragonglass armor on! How much more of a sign do you need? He has no wife, no children, guarding the only "wall" or line of defense Westeros has.

Watcher on the walls is plural.

[Joe Pesci]

His horse and his armor were grey, but his cloak was the rippling blue-and-red of Riverrun, and a shiny black fish, wrought in gold and obsidian, pinned its folds against his shoulder. "Who would pass the Bloody Gate?" he called.

It states that his horse and armor are grey. How is dragonglass armor grey?

[Daendrew]

It states that his horse and armor are grey. How is dragonglass armor grey?

I am not saying he is a Watchman now necessarily. I am saying GRRM is loading the clues up that this will be the Wall. There is something there very important to be protected, perhaps other than the runestones.

This is where the sleepers will be woken. This is where the Royce's remember what happened. That's another reason we have a Sansa POV in The Vale.

Obsidian on a man in "black", is not a throw away line for GRRM.

[Joe Pesci]

I am not saying he is a Watchman now necessarily. I am saying GRRM is loading the clues up that this will be the Wall. There is something there very important to be protected, perhaps other than the runestones.

This is where the sleepers will be woken. This is where the Royce's remember what happened. That's another reason we have a Sansa POV in The Vale.

Obsidian on a man in "black", is not a throw away line for GRRM

I didn't ask if he was a Watchman, just how can you say he is wearing dragonglass armor when the supporting text says his armor is grey?

[Daendrew]

[brynden] had put aside the heavy plate and helm he'd worn as the Knight of the Gate for the lighter leather-and-mail of an outrider, but his obsidian fish still fastened his cloak.

-A Game of Thrones - Catelyn IX

[Dorian Martell]

How does the bloody gate guard the dawn? It guards the Highroad to the mountains of the moon? It is guarded by knights who wear the Arryn colors, Blue and White. Not seeing the connection here

[Joe Pesci]

[brynden] had put aside the heavy plate and helm he'd worn as the Knight of the Gate for the lighter leather-and-mail of an outrider, but his obsidian fish still fastened his cloak.

-A Game of Thrones - Catelyn IX

So a pin that holds his cloak together is armor?

[Daendrew]

So a pin that holds his cloak together is armor?

Only a pin of magic that can kill an otherwise unkillable foe that will ravage all Westeros killing almost everyone.

And it is mentioned twice. GRRM pointed out he would take everything off but that.

Brynden also is loose in the Riverlands too. Where his undead niece is.

Did it matter how big Sams obsidian dagger was? Bullets are tiny. Will kill you even faster.

The clasp isn't what I am talking about. It is the symbolism of it. He takes everything off but that. That is a symbol of what is to come.

[Joe Pesci]

Brynden also is loose in the Riverlands too. Where his undead sister is.

One, it is his undead niece. Two, again, how is the Bloody Gate so important then if Brynden has abandoned it and now there isn't a "man in black" in charge there?

Look, you asked for comments but you seem to duck the questions asked and answer with more rabble than any factual support of your statements.

[Daendrew]

One, it is his undead niece. Two, again, how is the Bloody Gate so important then if Brynden has abandoned it and now there isn't a "man in black" in charge there?

Look, you asked for comments but you seem to duck the questions asked and answer with more rabble than any factual support of your statements.

I give you that typo. I was thinking of Edmure while I was typing.

If you don't get subtle symbolism and foreshadowing, I don't know what to tell you. We will see. I would bet 10 bucks on it :)

[Joe Pesci]

And who is the man in black guarding the Bloody Gate after Brynden leaves the Vale if it is so important?

How can you possibly turn defeated armies into broken shards of Others?

And come on, the castle is bathed in morning light because that's what happens when the sun comes up.

How does the bloody gate guard the dawn? It guards the Highroad to the mountains of the moon? It is guarded by knights who wear the Arryn colors, Blue and White. Not seeing the connection here

No answers for these questions?

[Daendrew]

No answers for these questions?

It is in the post. This was a fort back in the Age of Heroes. That is a hint about The Long Night. A time when magic was back in full force.

I talked about this is the place where the fire giants ("dragons") will break out from The Moon. The Moon being The Vale by the Gates of The Moon. And The Giants Lance he/they will fight with. And there is the magic and instructions in the Runestones of House Royce.

This is a magic enemy that magic needs to defeat.

If the Others break through before the Giants can get the lance, it is a problem.

Humanity has to hold them off until they figure it all out and the giants are armed. That's the point of the Bloody Gate.

"I am the horn that wakes the sleepers" is the NW oath. But the giants are by "the other Wall." A very curious thing.

The giants should not be on the other side of Westeros from their lance.

[Joe Pesci]

No one asked any question about giants, again seems like you aren't interested in answering so it's time for me to move on. Peace.

[Daendrew]

You asked me the point, I gave you the point of The Bloody Gate. Take care.