Is Dany barren?

[Toe]

According to the vindictive Mirri Maz Duur Dany is. However, Mirri also stated that Dany would not be able to do bloodmagic which was proven wrong.

Is this the only evidence we have regarding this?

[Lian]

Is Dany barren?

Short answer: yes.

Long answer: we don't know.

It's possible MMD lied, but IMO it's pretty certain Dany is barren, due to how Dany's birth progressed.

[Toe]

It's possible MMD lied, but IMO it's pretty certain Dany is barren, due to how Dany's birth progressed.

The magic seems to have corrupted her child but we have no evidence that it corrupted Dany herself.

[Dark Knight]

I think that Dany is barren.

Why? because there is a big deference in the way that MMD told Dany those things. she told Dany that she won't be able to do bloodmagic in anger, and meaning Dany won't be able to do it in that moment, based on her opinion that Dany is an ignorant child and that bloodmagic needs to be studied for a long time for one to be able to use it.

On the other hand, she told Dany that she is barren in a very solemn and calm way, comparing the condition of her womb to that of Drogo.

Besides, what lying will gain her? Dany is a young woman, and there is practically no chance she isn't going to lay with men in the future, and thus discover if she is barren or not, whether she wants it or not.

But, the fact that MMD thinks that Dany is barren, or even if Dany is barre n at that moment, doesn't mean she won't be able to concieve sometime in the future. If people can be resurrected, why not wombs? ;)

[Toe]

Besides, what lying will gain her?

For now adding to Dany's grief. Unwanted pregnancy in the future?

[Edward the Great]

This is Martinworld, and I don't see how he could make Dany fertile without betraying his own style. When bad things happen, they have real consequences. There is no mercy, neither to hero or villain. That's real drama. To have Mirri Maz Duur observe that Dany is barren and then have Dany be not barren would be melodrama. The story's appeal is based on the fact that Martin doesn't write crap like that. The plot isn't pefect - there are a lot of things that don't make sense, but it is the fact that Martin has the balls to follow through on his setups that makes this story work. By way of comparison to The Wheel in Time, it seams that whenever a protagonist has a setback it is part of some plan for the greater good. It's really annoying. When characters have setbacks in A Song of Ice and Fire, it's because their plans and expectation hit a brick wall and went SPLAT.

[Toe]

This is Martinworld, and I don't see how he could make Dany fertile without betraying his own style. When bad things happen, they have real consequences. There is no mercy, neither to hero or villain. That's real drama. To have Mirri Maz Duur observe that Dany is barren and then have Dany be not barren would be melodrama. The story's appeal is based on the fact that Martin doesn't write crap like that. The plot isn't pefect - there are a lot of things that don't make sense, but it is the fact that Martin has the balls to follow through on his setups that makes this story work. By way of comparison to The Wheel in Time, it seams that whenever a protagonist has a setback it is part of some plan for the greater good. It's really annoying. When characters have setbacks in A Song of Ice and Fire, it's because their plans and expectation hit a brick wall and went SPLAT.

You are arguing that losing your husband, most of his power and followers which would help you invade, and your child was prophesied a great future, are not "bad things"?

Also, according that your argument it was crap writing when Mirri was wrong regarding Dany's being able to do blood magic and Dany was able to wake the dragons instead of going SPLAT.

[WinterBreeze]

Well if you think about it Dany just hasn't tried to get knocked up again, so until she does we may never know for sure.

[Edward the Great]

You are arguing that losing your husband, most of his power and followers which would help you invade, and your child was prophesied a great future, are not "bad things"?

You live in a bizarre world of false inference, don't you? The issue at hand is Dany's barrenness. Nothing that you mention has anything to do with that issue.

Also, according that your argument it was crap writing when Mirri was wrong regarding Dany's being able to do blood magic and Dany was able to wake the dragons instead of going SPLAT.

Mirri said that before she understood what Dany was going to do. I think she thought Dany was going to try to bring Drogo or Rhaego back to life by burning her. It was when she saw the eggs that her eyes were filled with fear.

[nothatso]

Would someone mind pointing me in the direction of the specific quote in which MMD says Dany is barren? I was always under the impression that she said Dany "should not" have children, not that she "could not" have children.

[Edward the Great]

"When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east. When the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves. When your womb quickens again, and you bear a living child. Then he will return, and not before."

Reading this again, it doesn't imply that Dany can't get preggars.

[Guest Other-in-Law]

I always thought it had a "till Birnam wood do come to Dunsinane" vibe to it. However, those conditions are for Drogo's return, which as an end result seems impossible.

[Zizoz]

I read it as all three having to happen.

The quote can still technically be true if Dany is not barren, but it certainly suggests that she is.

[The_Black_Fish]

I always thought the real question was, if she is barren won't that destroy her chance at the throne. She will have to keep that very secret and she just pawned her most loyal and knowledgeable knight in the face. Will the bear use the secret to keep her for himself? Will she take on or name an heir? Is that heir going to be strong enough?

[Arataniello]

I always thought the real question was, if she is barren won't that destroy her chance at the throne. She will have to keep that very secret and she just pawned her most loyal and knowledgeable knight in the face. Will the bear use the secret to keep her for himself? Will she take on or name an heir? Is that heir going to be strong enough?

Given how the series is playing out, the fact that she may or may not be fertile will probably play no part whatsoever in whether Dany does ascend the throne or not.

[Thoheeks Bili]

Do you think Martin likes to kick people when their down? :fencing:

I do......this is why i feel the Jon will get Dany's affection, :smileysex: just like he got Jorah's dad's affection and recieved a sword that should have been(and was) Jorah's.

Will she be barren?Hmmmmm If someone can have a shadow baby, what's to stop Martin from making Dany fertile again :shocked: :smoking:

[Lady Winter Rose]

I want Dany fertile again just much as Bran to walk.

Bran is good kid (but he could end up corrupted)

and Dany is sweet girl (but she could end up mad)

and is normal that someone want Walking Bran and Mother Dany

(maybe Bran would walk, just as Dany is mother).

[Jaak]

Appointing a heir would be a sensible move on Dany´s part. After all, whether or not she can have children, she does not have any right now. She could die before she marries, she could die during pregnancy or at childbirth.... At the moment, her case is only about her. No one - not any of bloodriders, not ser Barristan Selmy, not Grey Worm - is in position to exercise leadership over her armies and keep them together after she dies. If she dies, her supporters will look each for themselves - they may be nostalgic and resent whoever they feel responsible, but there will be no organized force caring for them or avenging her death. Both her foes and her friends know it.

[Kimera757]

We don't know for sure. It's one of the mysteries of the series.

Dany hasn't gotten laid again (at least not as of Book Four) so there's no confirmation either way.

Perhaps GRRM wants us to wonder, or maybe he hasn't decided yet and didn't want to tie his hands. Being barren (assuming it's widely believed) would essentially end the declared Targaryen line, and would make it harder for Dany to claim that she's the "proper" queen. (If she's barren, there'd be a civil war upon her death. Unless someone with Targ blood was proclaimed as her heir, and most such people are either commoners or [like Stannis!] see themselves as members of other families.) It's like GRRM to give the otherwise near-perfect heroine a flaw she has no control over, IMO.

[Jaak]

We don't know for sure. It's one of the mysteries of the series.

Dany hasn't gotten laid again (at least not as of Book Four) so there's no confirmation either way.

Perhaps GRRM wants us to wonder, or maybe he hasn't decided yet and didn't want to tie his hands. Being barren (assuming it's widely believed) would essentially end the declared Targaryen line, and would make it harder for Dany to claim that she's the "proper" queen. (If she's barren, there'd be a civil war upon her death. Unless someone with Targ blood was proclaimed as her heir, and most such people are either commoners or [like Stannis!] see themselves as members of other families.) It's like GRRM to give the otherwise near-perfect heroine a flaw she has no control over, IMO.

While Dany from her PoV clearly believes Mirri maz Duur, she has not tested it as we see; and we have not heard how widely those words have been disseminated.

If Daenerys dies childless then the next legitimate Targaryen branch line is Baratheons. Tommen if you disbelieve Stannis, Stannis if you believe him.

Assuming Daenerys publicly declares all Baratheons attainted as rebels, what is the next surviving branch line of Targaryens? Martells, or is there anyone between them and Baratheons?

If, with Quentyn present at Meereen, Daenerys were to declare Martells her legitimate heirs and call upon Barristan, Unsullied and her other supporters to rally behind Quentyn in case of her death, would they (and her enemies) take her order seriously?

The inheritance rights of Martells are shared through Doran, so if Quentyn dies without trueborn children as faithful husband of barren Queen Daenerys, Dany´s goodbrother Trystane is in line (and so are his children by Myrcella). Can Daenerys avoid a civil war by grooming the Martells to inherit Iron Throne?