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  1. We are told that unlike incest, polygamy had not been a Targaryen custom. Aegon married Visenya for duty and Rhaenys for love. Meaning that people in on Targaryen customs - like Aerion - expected Aegon to marry just Visenya - and Rhaenys to marry someone else. Who?
  2. Jaak

    Dragon chest girth

    What do you think is the range of dragon girths at chest? Meaning, the region of trunk where saddle would be placed? For example, see horse: https://www.equine.umn.edu/research/equine-genetics-and-genomics-laboratory/current-projects/equine-metabolic-syndrome/body-measurements The pictures at bottom depict girth of 76 inches. meaning 193 cm. For Asian elephant, see https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Size-of-elephant-body-parameters-during-life-0-70-years-a-weight-in-kilograms-b_fig12_296847337 The picture labelled "Chest girth" on picture is c, and seems to depict an average of about 350 cm girth for adult male Asian elephant. Which is less than twice the size of the horse depicted. Biggest specifically attested range of dragon sizes was that between Arrax and Vhagar at Storm´s End. 5 times. Neither were extrema for ridable dragons. Arrax was not the smallest dragon ridden, because Tyraxes bore Joffrey (12 year old) as far as Vale. And Vhagar was not the biggest dragon ridden, because it is agreed that at least Balerion lived longer and grew bigger. How big do you think was Tyraxes compared to a horse? How big was Balerion compared to an elephant?
  3. Did any courtiers suspect Visenya of being maid rather than barren? Aegon visibly spent 1 night with Visenya for 10 he spent with Rhaenys. Sure, there were those 1/11 of nights in Visenya´s bedroom. But were the courtiers/servants intimate enough with the king to confirm what he did there besides sleeping?
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    Robert should have wed Daenerys to Joffrey

    Ser Willum had to flee Dragonstone in secret, with just a few servants. It would not be difficult for the mutinous garrison to get a wind and apprehend Willum and children before Stannis shows up. And Stannis is not Tywin. Stannis might kill children... but refuse to do so just on guess that Robert might be happy for it. Instead, Stannis might insist on a written and public specific order - and if Robert is embarrassed to kill children in front of all Seven Kingdoms, embarrass Robert by delivering the children to Robert alive, unscathed and public. If Robert gets both Viserys and Daenerys alive, he might feel willing and pressed to kill a 8 year old boy King but too publicly ashamed to do the same with a newborn girl. Or else he might leave Viserys alive but pack the rival King off to Wall, sept or citadel, yet reserve the option of political marriage to the girl.
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    Robert should have wed Daenerys to Joffrey

    Even Eddard was surprised by the breadth of Robert´s hatred for Targaryens after the Sack. Tywin lacked the opportunity to be privy to Robert´s attitudes. Killing just Aegon (and Elia as a dangerous witness) and delivering Rhaenys as a live captive would have made sense and split Targaryen loyalists between Rhaenys and Viserys. Also: Renly was 8. Quite appropriate age to wed Rhaenys (or Daenerys). Since he was 8, neither Robert nor Stannis would have realized that "girls have cooties" happened to be more than a phase in case of Renly.
  6. At 1 AC, they were 29, 27 and 24. Note how Fire and Blood defines its scope. Starting abruptly at when Aegon got the alliance/marriage offer from Argilac that provoked the Conquest. The years immediately before are declared as a matter of rumour. For some reason, these are rumours that were not confirmed as soon as Aegon became a person of importance and sometimes showed himself in public. Aerion and Valaena are bare names. We never hear how old Aegon was when Aerion died and Aegon became his own master. We never hear if Valaena outlived Aerion to live with her son as Lord, and then how long. The one thing we do hear is that Aegon mounted Balerion before marrying his sisters. Considering the lack of coverage where coverage should be expected, we cannot rule out Aegon&Sisters having had miscarriages, stillbirths or infant deaths in their teens or early twenties as "nobodies" on Dragonstone.
  7. When Rhaella and Viserys sailed for Dragonstone, Rhaegaer and Aerys were alive. But since Aerys by them rarely slept with Rhaella, she likely got pregnant that last night after burning Chelsted. And Rossart is later mentioned to have been Hand for two weeks - leaving two weeks for Rhaegaer travelling to Trident, dying and Eddard riding to Red Keep. After Rhaegaer and Aerys had died in one month, Rhaella had eight months on Dragonstone to call Viserys King and hold coronations.
  8. No more power than Tommen. Contrast Viserys III with Aegon I,5. The difference between saying that he "should become" King and saying that he "was" King as of present. When Aegon and his supporters under siege at Crakehall learned Aenys had died and Maegor seized throne for himself, they said Maegor was an usurper and that Aegon should become King - but did not call Aegon King Aegon II at Crakehall. When Rhaella under, effectively, siege (she had the whole island and seas, but the mainland shore was rebel held) learned that Aerys had died and Robert seized throne, Rhaella and those in her garrison did call Viserys King. Viserys was as much King as Stannis was before sailing against Renly.
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    Valyria, A Gender Equal Society?

    The Rhoynar did not ride dragons. We hear of Rhoynar water witches - but we don´t hear of the water witches actually deployed against Targaryens,, nor do we hear of Aryanne´s thoughts about her applying water witchcraft in ways Doran and Oberyn cound not and needed her to. Yet the Dornish openly hold Dornish law - and Targaryens don´t. They don´t even stick to Andal law - by Andal law, Aenys´ heir should be Aerea, not Jaehaerys.
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    Abundance of Maesters

    Or you just don´t notice most noble houses. Manderly boasts that his bannermen include 12 lords and 100 landed knights. Try to list those 12 lords. You cannot. They are not named. If you take the guess that North had a total of 300 lords, 100 of whom stayed at home as unfit to fight (old and fat Manderly, ladies Dustin, Hornwood, Maege Mormont et cetera) or ordered to keep guard and 200 rode among and at the head of the 20 000 men who marched with Robb... the story names maybe 20 commanders. If so, 19 980 stay anonymous cannon fodder. Just remember that 180 more important of those 19 980 are Lords, while still being anonymous cannon fodder.
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    Abundance of Maesters

    Not really. We get totals, not actual totals but order of magnitude, twice. At Field of Fire, Reach and Westerlands had between them 600 lords present on the battlefield. It could not have been the full total of lords. A notable share of Lords would have been noncombatants - too old and crippled, plus a smaller share of children and ladies. Their banners would have been at Field of Fire, but under knights not lords - preferrably family members if available, such as adult eldest son and heir carrying the banner for the elderly father staying at home (a la ser Stevron for Lord Walder) but nonfamily members if necessary. Plus the combatant lords left detailed elsewhere to guard against opportunistic raids, like Dornish marches. Since military service mattered for lordship, most marginally capable lords would have tried to show up in person (late Walder showed up at Trident age 75) so my guestimate would be 1000 lords and ladies between Reach and Westerlands. With average of 300 for each of the other 5 Kingdoms, it gives 2500 lords for all Westeros. Second time we get the total magnitude is Great Council of 101. Over 1000 lords showed up. Assuming 2200 lords under Jaehaerys (300 of Dorne were not then his subjects), about half or slightly more attending makes sense, especially since we hear some were late and only arrived at dissolution. Many of the poorer and more remote lords might not have bothered the trip, like the chiefs of mountain clans. The numbers of 2500 lords and 300 maesters for whole 7 Kingdoms would mean an average of about 40 greater lords rich enough to hire a maester and 250 lesser lords who cannot afford a maester for an average kingdom other than Reach. Those lesser lords often stay below radar. Is that consistent with the story?
  12. How common are maesters in Westerosi society? Apparently the number of castles employing maesters is 300 - from 300 white ravens sent out to announce seasons. Almost all castles that do employ maesters have just one. Castles with no maester are abundant, though regarded as unimportant. One Kingdom, say North, has just a few tens of maesters. How does North compare to medieval Europe? Like England? Robb could and did march nearly 20 000 men out of North. Henry V kept 13 000 men in France from 1415 to 1422 between the several field armies and garrisons. About 3000 of those 13 000 were heavy horse. It was 7 years, Henry V´s England did not complain of unharvested fields like Umbers do. Maybe the population of North is comparable to England or smaller. On a bigger area. But Sweden and Muscovy also had sparser settlement over a big area. England of late 14th century had, besides those 3000 gentlemen, squires and knights who could ride to France on heavy horses, other elites. About 8000...9000 beneficed parish priests. About 7000 regular male clergy (monks, friars and canons regular) and 2000 regular female clergy (nuns and such specialized terms). Plus the privately employed clergy (chaplains). And England had a duopoly of universities,. About 2000 students at Oxbridge at any time late 14th century. Many dropped out without graduating, but about 200 graduates each year. Making, like, 5000-6000 graduates living at one time. Not all or even most beneficed parish priests were Oxbridge graduates - many graduates had other careers - but a large fraction were. And North has under 50 maesters for those over 5000 Oxbridge graduates of England! Well, England had something else, too. Bishops. 17 in England proper. 4 in Wales. 12 in Scotland. About 35 in Ireland. So under 70 in all Britain. Scandinavia had about 25 between the three kingdoms, about 100 in France, some in Germany, Italy, Iberia... About 300 or somewhat more would be a reasonable estimate for the total number of bishops in Europe, as it is for maesters in Westeros. Maesters are as rare as bishops... but bishops were lords. Even when they did not have armies and castles, they were given autonomous disposal of large revenues to hire multiple employees with - and maesters are not. Only 300 graduates in all Westeros? Well, University of Paris only developed in 12th Century Renaissance. In 1113, when Anselm of Laon expelled Abelard from his cathedral school, France did not have, and for centuries had not had, any school of more than one teacher. By 1200, Paris University had about 150 teachers and over 3000 students. And probably over 10 000 graduates. In the two centuries, 1080 to 1280, Europe went from having 0 universities and 0 graduates to having 10+ universities (besides Paris there were Oxford and Cambridge, in France also Toulouse etc., in Italy Bologne, Padua etc., in Spain Salamanca, Valladolid etc.) and tens of thousands of graduates. Whereas Westeros is stabilized at 1 university, about 20 teachers and about 300 graduates. Still a lot... by the pre-12th-Century-Renaissance standards. How do you feel the role of maesters?
  13. And Charlemagne did not pick any of existing close to but not really cities such as Paris or Cologne. But not brief by European standards. Aachen was a centre briefly, but Merovingians did last two and half centuries - without settling down to build an impressive capital. Pavia was capital from Lombard conquest in 568 through Frankish and Ottonian conquests and only stopped being used as capital in 1018 or so. In those 450 years, presence of capital did not make Pavia overshadow the nearby Milan. And have a look at Aachen, or Anglo-Saxon Winchester. Not that impressive public building either. We are told it wasn´t a fishing village through the period - it had had border fortresses built by river kings such as Hooks, but those had been sacked repeatedly and not rebuilt recently. Wonder how recent had the last sack been? By Hoares/Durrandons if it was currently a Hoare/Durrandon march?
  14. Also: the about 2000 people summer population of Winterfell´s Winter Town about matches the (year-round) population of medieval Turku. Which also was unfortified outside the Castle.
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    Dorne and Landed Knights

    It does not have to be Dornish. After all, while only in Dorne do women inherit ahead of younger brethren, under Andal law women still inherit in absence of brethren. They still need a title for heiresses of landed knights, whether it is "mistress" or "dame". If Alysanne Osgrey had not become a silent sister and had survived Eustace, what would her title have been? Though the terms of Eustace´s surrender (forfeit to Crown in absence of male offspring) seem to disinherit Alysanne.
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