George W. Lannister Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 "We hold the ground, and that I mean to turn to ouradvantage.""The ground?" said Theon. "What ground?Here? This misbegotten tower? This wretched little village? You have no highground here, no walls to hide beyond, no naturaldefenses.""Yet.""Yet," both ravens screamed in unison. Thenone quorked, and the other muttered, "Tree, tree,tree."Two questions:1) What does Stannis mean by "yet"? Does he intend to cut down trees andfortifying the outlying perimeter? The Old Gods (and Bran, and Bloodraven) won'tbe too rosy about that.What else would he be referring to?2)What are the ravens (presumably BR and Bran) cooking up to happen during Theon'sexecution? Did they somehow get Asha in on it as well, or does Asha have her ownintentions by leading Stannis out to the weirwood?I am crazy excited about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thendel Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 He's definitely implying that he'll put up some defenses that'll be more than just adequate. Moreover, any tree isn't sacred to the religion of the Old Gods - it's just the heart trees, and I really doubt he'll cut that one down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Independent George Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 I like the theory that he plans on luring the Freys into marching across the frozen lake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear Island Bruiser Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Well there was the Umber trick of digging pits just outside Winterfell. It worked before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ServantOnIce Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Who knows . . . .I do believe Stannis will die in the ambush on the Islet. I hope Stannis is smart enough to know that you never lesson to suggestions from your captives. If not he deserves to lose the, "Game of Thrones."You win or you die there is no middle ground and the only winner in the end will be Drogon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George W. Lannister Posted December 18, 2012 Author Share Posted December 18, 2012 I think the Freys will be more than wary of pits now. The lake is interesting.Like he says, it won't be long before Ramsay shows up. So he better get moving! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Ro Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Google Alexander Nevsky, then marvel at our good kings brilliance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damar Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 I think the Manderlys will get involved. They need to be, or else there the war in the North going to continue endlessly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timzy Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 All I can say is Bran and Bloodraven (well at least Bran) are determined to try and tell Theon something.I think Stannis intends to use the already broken ice with Lord Manderly as he insulted Bolton and the Freys plans but not Manderly. Also Manderly had the time to dispatch some men to randevou with stannis.:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sound of Truth Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 I assumed that he planned on trying to sink them in the lake somehow when they approach. In a DWD chapter there already have been references to how fragile the ice is because of all the fishing that has been going on. Heavily armord knights + unstable ice=lots of drowned Freys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuendillar Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 My first thought was to use the only thing he had in abundance - snow and ice. Stannis is going to build a massive snow castle, and probably combine it with wekening parts of the lake ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Ro Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 The key part is we're he says we must fight afootthe same exact thing was done in real life in a real battle.ETA spoiler tags screwed up sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear Island Bruiser Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 I think the Freys will be more than wary of pits now. The lake is interesting.Like he says, it won't be long before Ramsay shows up. So he better get moving!Possibly but Stannis definitely has a plan. I find the bit where he makes Justin Massey swear to raise troops even if he hears he's dead for Shireen a bit suspicious. OK Stannis is known to be intractable but there are limits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George W. Lannister Posted December 18, 2012 Author Share Posted December 18, 2012 the same exact thing was done in real life in a real battle.Okay, just looked up Nevsky. If Mr. Grimace pulls that off, then he is certainly a badass military leader. Especially at adaptation...I mean come on, which other Southron lord could be that creative and quick to adjust in a cold and ice environment? Tarly maybe, but I doubt that even.I find the bit where he makes Justin Massey swear to raise troops even if he hears he's dead for Shireen a bit suspicious.I didn't catch this one until I read a comment from a thread on Ramsay's letter earlier today. Sounds like he already has a plan to trick the Boltons, but how? It could not have included Manderly yet...in the Theon spoiler chapter he goes on a tirade against "Mr. Too Fat to...", and still believes that Davos was brutally murdered by Wyman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melifeather Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 You know, it's been a very long time since I've read that chapter...it deserves closer examination. I think it would be a very bad to Stannis's health if he plans on cutting down any weirwoods, which it kind of sounds like he might since the one crow is "muttering" tree, tree, tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishtemper Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Well if you recall from one of Asha's chapters in ADWD, one of the leaders of the mountain clans who showed Stannis' men how to ice-fish declared the fish were all but gone and so many holes had been made by men to fish that the ice covering the lake looked like swiss cheese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zupoleon Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Stannis clearly sees the potential of the lake, and I'm sure he'll use it to his advantage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillent Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Shouldnt this be in tWoW section?Anyway, yeah it was an interesting chapter.. I personally like the theory that he's going to lure the enemy into the frozen lake, after taking out a good chunk of the enemy he will force them through a choke point which would surely give him an advantage (especially if we believe some of the stuff from the great northern conspiracy thread) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of the Smiling Knight Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 The question is, how is he going to lure the other forces into charging over the lake? Is he going to camouflage it some how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Ro Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 The question is, how is he going to lure the other forces into charging over the lake? Is he going to camouflage it some how?They probably don't even know how weak the ice is, a mounted charge at stannis and his merry band should see the ice breaking rather easily. Remember the first wave will be freys not Northmen so the won't know much and will assume the ice is strong, also ser stupid will be in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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