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Massey will return after months. He hasn t even left… By the time he arrives most of those conflitos will be resolved... ps it is a sample chapter published in adwd. I don t think we need spoilers...

Because stannis taking winterfell is completly useless. The north is divided and he can t unite it without a stark. Wether he has winterfell or not is completly indiferent… Ther northerns won t march south and won t completly join him… Then stannis has to return to the Wall to see how the preparations are going to man the Wall. And why would he leave the Wall if massey might arrive at any moment with sellswords? he can t leave the north… if massey returns and he isn t there what would happen? It makes sense that if stannis is defeated he goes hiding in the Wall waiting for massey… It even makes much more sense for stannis to face the other on the Wall than winterfell…. And no matter what you may think of ramsay roose is a very interesting villain. He probably wiil have a backstory and it makes sense to have him vs a stark… Roose vs stannis is kind of useless...

Not seeing any of it happening. After the fiasco with robb and with winter here the northmen won t leave the north.

It can go both ways. Either seen as a miracle or as an abomination… But if the old gods are involved the northerns will love it

He is far from mel and shireen… what can he do? He can t abandon his troops and escape alone… And stannis won t ever burn shireen without mel influencing him...

Come on, he will go south with wath army and do what against danny and faegon's armies? The north won t follow stannis south. He has close to 600 soldiers before these battles... Stannis simply doesn t have the means to do anything until massey returns...

If he burns shireen it will be out of desperation. It doesn t need to be because of the others… If mel convinces him that his survival is crucial to save the realm and the only way for him to survive is to burn shireen he would do it.

Why would the will be anuled? The vows only say that he will be in the NW until he dies. So if he dies and comes back he kind of completed his vows. The will doesn t have clauses... But I think jon will leave the NW because the northern lords will plead with him to do it and because it is necessary to unite the north. And the fact that the NW is basically over and failed miserably in its mission will also be important.

It isn t that convoluted. If stannis loses the battle and returns to the Wall nearly alone he will be in a very delicate mental state. If mel convinces him to burn shireen to wake some dragon eggs that they brought from dragonstone and it doesn t work I can total see stannis joining the NW. How can he become king without an heir?

But the problem is that now they are going to fight the entire north (not just the boltons) for stannis that they don t seem to like… And they might die without even fighting… Stannis has no means to breach winterfell nor siege it… There is no good reason for them to stand with stannis…

Not really. My personal theory is that the clansmen will abandon him because tey think he has no chance of winning, his people burn people alive, pray to a foreign god, farya is already saved… Without the clansmen his army is very small. And roose has to have something special. If you read the chapters about him he doesnt think like a normal person… Like he is happy that ramsay would kill his baby son… Even if bolt on isn t completly right there has to be something...

At the moment I think it would be more interesting if she ends stealing whatever the faceless in the citadel is after. It would conect the faceless to the major story and giver her something important to do.

So much has to happen for this to make sense that winterfel would only be taken at the end of this book or in the next one. I can see one of her brothers controling the north and asking the vale for help with food/the others/the IT and sansa making the vale help. And the north has to prepare to fight the others, it can t spend another book infighting... I think the story is poised to have stannis lose the war. In order to have the story progress stannis has to be defeated and die or join the NW.

I think for a lot of people it is hard to divide the show and the books. The events in both kind of merge. So what happens in winds will be important for the people that didn t like this season. Have you seen how many people have lost interest in asoiaf in the last years? If people find out that there will be even more books even more people will lose interest in the series because they will believe that we will never know the end… And my point is that in the next book we need to have proof that there will be some major diferences or that he can make what happened in the show into a satisfying read. If one of the 2 don t happen manny people will also lose interest...

I think sansa is a huge snowball effect. In the books it makes sense that she becomes an influential person in the vale and that makes the vale help the north. In the show she was influential in the north. So is it very diferent for her character if she ends up in charge of the north or in charge of the vale? Hell I think I would like more to see alayne stone outsmart LF and Harry the heir and robin and end up ruling the vale than see sansa stark ruling the north where we already have enough characters for the job. And maybe as you are saying this kind of logic can be applyed to several characters...

I think what happens in winds (that I really think is almost done) will define if people will care about his books or not. First, the story has to be finished in 7 books because he takes too much time to write. Then he will either have to make people understand and like what we saw on the show or write something that changes completly the fate of a character in the show and the books. And to me that character should be bran. I thought we would have a small number of pov chapters from him, but if grrm wants anyone to believe he can become king he has to rule something in the near future. Otherwise he should just make bran fuse with a weirwood...

That is my point. We don t really learn anything new… Maybe there will be more diferences than grrm initially thought… These "yes, no, yes, no" are pretty diferent from his previous answers. He could have fodused on how the journey to the end would be diferent and that the main points would be the same, but he didn t...

I have no idea what that post says to us… There will be diferences and similarities between the endings? He has a gazillion projects he is involved in? He doesn t have a date to release winds?

is that from a recent interview?

If he was just escorting them he had the worse ending I could ever dream... And why not be clear about what drogon was doing?

yeah, that was an oficial sentence that everybody knows about… it isn t a secret deal...

Agree completly. after drogon flies off he takes the logic with him.

every city has a fucking prison...

they were going north...

That does absolute no sense. If he was setenced to the NW why would he run away from the NW? that isn t jon...