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    Lord Eddard Stark's mistakes

    This is my take, too. The generational split in the books demonstrates the death of a paradigm and the emergence of another. There's definitely a feudalism vs capitalism thing going on with many of the characters adhering to honor and tradition rather than opportunity and power, and suffering for it. I don't think Ned was dumb. Remember he was killed in large part for his savvy in undermining Lannister legitimacy. Littlefinger led Ned to the big clues of Joffrey's parentage believing that Cersei would have him killed. When Cersei offered clemency instead, Littlefinger knew that Ned could still pose a risk even from the Wall. I also disagree that Ned was blind to Robert's flaws. I think he knew them very well, but felt he had a duty to serve as Hand, as well as using the opportunity to sniff out Jon Arryn's murderer. You could justifiably call it a savior complex, trying to buffer the kingdom from its own king. It's certainly not trust and admiration for Robert that push Ned to accept the position. GRRM is a bit understated about it, but when you go through the scenes where Ned and Robert interact, it's pretty clear that they were never very close. They disagree constantly both in the present story and in Ned's memories. Understandably they have more of a familial relationship than one based on trust and shared values.
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    [Spoilers] EP704 Discussion

    LmL's essays/podcasts explain it. Search YouTube or wherever for Mythical Astronomy of Ice and Fire, or just go straight to lucifermeanslightbringer.com. Might seem far fetched at first, but it's meticulously researched and supported, as well as absurdly consistent within the text of the books. Good video introduction of the topic: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXNXT2MxtKPhsBmhFWE6xsg
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    [Spoilers] EP704 Discussion

    yeah it's hard for these scenes not to echo season 1, and it would probably be even weirder if they never stopped to reminisce about the last time they were all together.
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    [Spoilers] EP704 Discussion

    D&D explain in the post-video that those symbols were inherited from the Children of the Forest, as a consequence of having been created by them. The historical events depicted by those shapes have apparently been deduced as important within the ancient history and mythology of Ice and Fire, as they appear in scenes that are significant in terms of decoding those myths. In case you're not already familiar with the theory, it's basically that the Long Night was a consequence of some ancient sorcery that caused one of Planetos's two moons to be destroyed by a comet while it was in eclipse formation against the sun. That idea is represented visually by the circles with the lines drawn through them, and the smaller circle inside the larger circle. Respectively, those are images of the moon bisected by a stellar collision, and a sun with a moon eclipsing it, and a sun possibly radiating cosmic debris after the collsion. At the risk of over-nerding on book stuff in the TV thread, there is one particular scene in SoS in which Yoren draws a shape in the sand for Arya: That's the circle with the line through it that appears several times in the cave drawings, always next to a sun. Apparently D&D knew this image was significant from the outset, as the corpse arrangement in the Season 1 prologue scene shows.
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    [Spoilers] EP704 Discussion

    @LmL @ravenous reader While I'm sure you're loathe to mingle book and show material, I think you'll be amused to see that tonight's episode features a whole bunch of Mythical Astronomy cave drawings! Many paired paired images of a sun and a "gods eye" eclipse-type shape, or a circle with a line through it (as drawn by Yoren in the sand next to the Gods Eye).
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    Who is Haldon Halfmaester?

    Rhaegar, being skinchanged by Bloodraven, who is in turn a puppet of future-Bran. For serious, though, his description sort of matches the "Stark look", with the thin face and grey eyes. The hair knot is also not unique to Ned Stark - Lady Dustin wears a "widow's knot". Maybe William Dustin? He was at the ToJ, so if we're looking for any of those guys to re-enter the story, he's a candidate. Lady Dustin's prominence in the plot also rises in DwD, so it would be very clever of GRRM to place her supposedly dead husband at this point in the timeline. And for added irony, Lady Dustin hates the Maesters. Edit: beaten!
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    Small Questions v. 10105

    Does anyone else think Littlefinger is secretly of Crannogmen stock? He's short, has the grey/green eyes, is very clever with words.
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    Small Questions v. 10105

    Is it possible Mel is seeing Jinglebell (Aegon Frey) instead of Patchface?
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    The perfumed seneschal

    Agreed. There was already some misdirection in Dany's POV when she suspects one of her own courtiers, and I think we're supposed to have Varys in mind, too. By the time the Stinky Steward is mentioned, it's remote enough plot-wise that it's believable as the culprit. Bigger question is why Dany needs to beware of it. The ship was anandoned at sea, so unless it washes up with the missing fire priest clinging to it, the prophecy must refer to Jorah or Tyrion. I suspect it's Jorah and his grudges. Will he kill Hizdar? Maybe try something against Danaerys herself?
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    Puns and Wordplay

    The c/horn thing actually came to me all of a sudden yesterday when I heard someone say "unicorn". Can't even remember why someone would have said unicorn, but it reminded me of the k/h alternation, and I guess I just had Ice and Fire on the brain. what really made it click for me was the text search. It wasn't until then that I saw how many times Mormont basically says "He doesn't really want corn", which is a bright red flag that the raven'a shrieks have some other meaning.
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    Puns and Wordplay

    Has anyone pointed out that "horn" and "corn" are cognates? Has Mormont's raven been trying to tell everyone about the Horn of Joramun this whole time? only one instance of the two appearing close together, but there's no other reason for the raven to speak up at that moment: Plus a number of scenes in which the raven cries "Corn" at Jon right after Mormont has fed it. and then there's the "corn king" line, which now could be a double entendres hinting first at Jon's characters archetype, and also at Horn of Joramun belonging to a King. And here's a corn in a symbolic image:
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    Does fAegon annoy anyone else?

    btw I watched the first "Wars to Come" video and actually kinda liked the idea that the Kingsguard at ToJ were exiled North.
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    Does fAegon annoy anyone else?

    I suspect that Aegon really did die, and that the repetition of phrasing is significant for reasons of LmL-type symbolism (that is, what does it mean that a dragon's head keeps hitting a Wall?). The idea of a Targ dying at a wall is also good foreshadowing in an unexpected place. Or maybe the Pisswater Prince was the real Edric Dayne or something. Because why not. Supposed age difference aside, that actually makes a little sense, now that I think about it. Ashara thus killed herself because she knew her own child had died. And it still establishes the baby swap that Jon orders later on. And double bonus, it explains how Wylla could have been the wet nurse for both "Edric" and Jon. I'm sure something proves this wrong.
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    Does fAegon annoy anyone else?

    It occurs to me just now that maybe "Slayer of Lies" refers to Ned's lies. Calling it now: Dany will reveal Jon's parentage.
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    Does fAegon annoy anyone else?

    This is what I mean by raising more questions than it answers 2) Unclear what part of that you're responding to. My point was that pilfering R/L's child from the Tower of Joy would require more characters than are present, and brings up a really difficult timing issue because Lyanna had just given birth when Ned found her. Did one of Varys and Illyrio's lackeys jump out the window with the child just as Ned was walking up the stairs? And did they have a wet nurse in tow? Are we saying Howland Reed is part of the plot? Or was the ToJ child Lyanna's second, and if so, what happened to it? 3) There is a text search of all Ice and Fire material at asearchoficeandfire.com. Here's the quote: "Troubled sleep was no stranger to him. He had lived his lies for fourteen years, yet they still haunted him at night." Fourteen years is Jon's age at that time. The lies are that Jon is a bastard, that his mother is Wylla, and that Robert had a legitimate claim to the throne. (yes, this means that Ned treasoned twice, morally right as his actions were). 4) Dorne is a place, not a time, and the timeline doesn't really accommodate doing any kind of nasty in Dorne. Ned was away for about a year, and we know that a great deal of that time was spent at war. If this was supposed to have happened at Starfall, then Ned's journey would have been months longer at the least. Now I'm going to watch this video, or at least some of it, and see how it stacks up, but I mean, there is just so much RLJ evidence on every layer. I feel like a lot of the go-nowhere theories are based solely on logistical possibility, as if characters can teleport anywhere and do things without consequence any time they are off page. There's only some misdirection at the very start of the story, with the likely purpose of keeping the reader looking away when otherwise obvious clues are dropped, such as those mentioned in point 3, as well as an intensifying association with fire. And in terms of narrative, N/D is too hidden to be an effectively told story. The Daynes don't really have big themes or symbols built up around them the way the Starks, Targaryens, and Lannisters do as POV and otherwise everpresent characters. There is ultimately the question of thematic significance, which I don't see in NAJ.
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