Varysblackfyre321

No, I don’t believe a child deserved to be killed. I believe an officer has a duty to protect others from the possibility of being killed in whatever way is most proficient way possible. What detail prior to this video would actually get you to see the shooting not being unequivocally murder? What thing besides the video of trying to stab someone seconds before she was shot would do that? How many times does it have to be pointed out to you that not every police killing is equal? That had the officer not shot, Bryant could have stabbed possibly even killed someone?

Okay but where can we see it justified and optimal? Because you don’t seem to think it’s okay for officers to be allowed to utilize it in what I have to say under the most reasonable circumstances. I.E where there’s someone who’s posing an immediate grave danger someone else with a deadly weapon, there’s no significant time(meaning literal seconds) to try disarm the person or even deesclate. Where do you specifically think it’s okay to use lethal force? Don’t just say when it’d make things better. That’s too vague to mean anything.

I do think American police tend to underestimate knife attacks due to them carrying firearms. I remember this one training video where some were asked how they deal with someone attacking them with a knife. Most officers said they’d just shoot them. They didn’t consider the possibility that they may not have time to draw their gun and fire before getting stabbed.

Again what detail would in your eyes make this shooting justified? What are you waiting for exactly that would change the context of the shooting we saw on video to a favorable or unfavorable light to the officer. I know that this white cop saw this black girl try to stab another black girl and potentially kill her. You act as if he needed to know every conceivable thing that could have lead up to that moment and that could know that. That’s absurd. And please. You’ve already condemned this man repeatedly. You’re not waiting, you’ve decided guilt. I’m guessing the second you heard about the story before any details were released young black girl killed by white cop. No Bryant’s target would be the black girl in pink who was cowering from Bryant because of the whole stabbing possibility. But even if he was, would that truly matter to you? Would you And why the chest? Multiple times? Because that the most optimal to stopping Bryant from stabbing someone with a knife. It doesn’t matter if he’s a “crack shot” trying for a limb would be more difficult to hit and doesn’t guarantee Bryant would stop. Because I believe the shooting was justified. There is a difference holding a knee to a man’s neck for 10 minutes after he’s already been handcuffed and on the ground and a cop shooting someone that was actively putting someone else’s life in danger through trying to stab them. Its’ important realize there’s a difference.

I have not thankfully, and I’m sorry that happened to you. But if I was or about to I would prefer police prioritize utilizing the option that gave me the best chance of survival. No, but have them prepared to the few cases that can be and recognize some situations are going to be life and death. The problem more is you’re insistence on only allowing for two unreasonable extremes which simply do not allow for any nuance. Either we see all police utilizing lethal force as condemnable or not. Which is absurd. Even in the most peaceful nations on earth law enforcement at times are allowed to be given and firearms if there’s where going unarmed would needlessly increase the amount of innocent lives at risk. It’s Shoot to stop. It just so happens that the way in which to stop a violent criminal from killing others is to shoot them in the torso—which yes has a greater chance of killing them. In a addition to decreasing the chance of them killing someone else. My point was that acknowledging that some police killings are justified is not the same thing excusing every police killing ever. You apparently recognize this when it’s convenient. You defended the police officer who killed the q-nut on the sixth. You were not wrong to do that whilst still presumably condemning Chauvin for killing Floyd. Attacking someone with a knife. This is not a mere allegation given we have video of this. I think you knew this. We don’t need a minute by minute play down of the hour before the shooting before it could looked at as justified. The police were called and told a group of a girls were trying to stab people. Police officers came by the address the person who called had given them. An officer saw a girl try to stab someone just out of the distance to be tasered and using his gun was in this instance the best method to potentially save another human being’s life. What detail in the last hour before the shooting would make this justified in your eyes? Because it seems like despite all reason you’ve already decided that this shooting is unjustified—despite not knowing every detail of what had happened in the last hour.

To what effect could that detail—if it even is true and I await citation of articles describing Bryant grabbing the knife from the kitchen—be pertinent to continuously reference other than to try downplay the sever damage that it could have done in the hands Bryant? I’m arguing for there to be a distinction for justified police killings and unjustified ones rather than pretend the only options are the extreme of drawing no distinction. That I either have to condemn them all or praise them all.

Most cops even in the US don’t fire in the line of duty as well. Our media tends to glamorize and sensationalize faucets of law-enforcement which leads to a lot of meatheads on a power trip joining up. Not all cops mind you. But enough to where it’s a significant problem. I don’t think talking to deescalate is possible in every situation. Like there was no singular sentence that probably had a great chance of stopping Bryant mid swing here. Sometimes force is necessary.

I’m willing to bet the trauma would mostly stem from her almost getting stabbed. But I’m sure you’d tell her the incident before the cop shot wasn’t that extreme. It was just a kitchen knife(honestly wtf did you get that tidbit of information idk), and wax on how it wasn’t for sure that her getting a stabbed would have killed her and how much of a travesty the cop prioritized her welfare over the person trying to stab her.

No. Not all police killings are equal. Not all of them need to be treated like George Floyd and I don’t think you truly believe they are equivalent. rightfully saying that the facisht who was shot by the police for trying to overthrow democracy on the sixth was completely justified. You were not making an argument that the many unjustified police killings were somehow justified because of instance they were.

Extremely rarely. In a case like Bryant that’s one of the extremely rare instances where law enforcement can reasonably be interpreted to use lethal force. It’s a reasonable if. It’s reasonable when there are literally seconds to decide that the person whose mid swing someone with a knife is probably going to stab that someone with a knife for an officer to shoot said person. The person under threat of being potentially murdered safety need take priority. In the other thread @Fez has already cited a neighbor who watched the exchange not agreeing with the initial outrage from those on the street who weren’t under the immediate threat of being stabbed. I believe the police can be justified in using lethal force against those actively and seriously posing a danger towards others especially when there’s a deadly weapon being used.

Can you remove the US part or amend it to being American?

Even with training, it’s a harder target to make. If the officer didn’t make it then the odds of Bryant killing someone remains the same. But you have to acknowledge that sometimes, yes, such force is optimal to use against someone actively putting the lives of others at sever risk. @Week It’s sad that a child is dead. It’d also be sad if this child killed someone—especially potentially another child. So no I’m not going to wag my finger at someone who at the time took the most optimal course of protecting another human being. But hey, maybe the woman/girl Bryant was trying to stab would have appreciated the officer not done that and put her life at more risk.

Bigots: Identity politics is a scourge that only seeks to divide us. Also bigots: We want to be more bigoted and discriminatory.

If you’re still looking I stumbled upon a great Manga that I highly recommend about an enby working at a maid cafe in Japan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Me_for_Who_I_Am It goes into depth on the various contemporary issues surrounding gender and sexuality in a really nuanced way. Oh and it also briefly calls out the fetishization cis straight males do to transwomen, and girls in a really classy and brief way

That always needs to be recognized. I came across this article. Sodomy laws have been enforced relatively recently in the developed world in many places. Take Britain; ;https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/23/fifty-years-gay-liberation-uk-barely-four-1967-act Or the US. I know this may sound odd, but I really wish people would talk more about this sort of stuff in terms of talking about recent oppression of gay people.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/12/07/supreme-court-bathrooms-transgender-students-443434 It's weird 2020 hasn't been as bad a year for Lgbt rights as it has been in UK in terms of progress.

Of course. Their abusive shit gays are stepping stones to other bad shit. It hurts my head to Terfs, or vehement transphobic gays complain that their rights are under attack by trans people. As their used as tools further the goals of people who’d actually see any right right or protection they claim to care about stripped.

Yeah, he apparently is also a homophobe. Not surprising. He even helped push for a higher age of for homosexuals. The guy’s clearly a massive bigot who’ll use children to his advance his bigotry. Heaven’s to bet if he got his way same-sex relations would be illegal for anyone.

Fucking hell, I felt like gagging when I heard that. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/dec/06/keira-bell-lawyer-warns-on-internet-coverage-of-transgender-issues Jesus Christ. This really pisses me off. I can’t tell you how often I’ve seen people cry free speech whenever any transphobe got a negative consequence for their actions. Even if it was harassing transwomen that had to be defended because free speech. If the UK gives a propaganda law like that not one of those assholes will criticize it for it being a blantant attack on free speech.

It should always be noted most of the people pushing for things like have nothing to say about gender reassignment surgery on babies if they’re intersex.

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/06/06/millennial-men-lgbt-attitudes-sexuality-research-social-policy-meredith-worthen-study/ Curious on what you folks think of this? @karaddin you normally have pretty nuanced takes.

https://www.jurist.org/news/2020/11/hungary-drafts-legislation-to-ban-adoption-for-same-sex-couples/ Fuck this is madening. How dare gay couples try to give a child a loving home?

Ah. I mean if this cute trans woman is saying the same things I am, I can’t be that bigoted right? Sorry, I don’t know your mother, I tend to see this as a lot of the reason for any support from the right on a particular individual in lgbtq. This gay guy says straight people are oppressed by non-heterosexuals in a world where there are countries where you can get killed or imprisoned for that. And says being straight is superior So I’m not homophobic when I say the exact same things.

Yeah. Still irritating to think about them pretending to care about gay rights--ie reference gays being killed for their sexual orientation--and act asking for anything more than the ability to not be stoned to death is overstepping.

I saw this depressing comment on the seemming trajectory of things; Conservatives in 2017: I'm not personally homophobic, but I don't want businesses to be forced to violate their own religion Today: I'm not personally homophobic, but I don't want government workers to give out marriage certificates that violates their religious beliefs. 2024: I'm not personally homophobic, but I think states should be allowed to criminalize sodomy if that's what they want. Future: Is it wrong to be homophobic? Genuinely curious to see which gay guys prager u will trot out to argue why gay marriage is super bad. I'm betting they'll be a reference gays being executed in Saudi Arabia as a rational for why expecting equal and fair treatmeant under the law in the US is totally unfair--they should be thankful to just not be killed, and be quiet.