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    The Corbray Brothers

    So we know some about Ser Lyn Corbray; he picked up Lady Forlorn at the Trident when his father fell, and led a charge that broke the Dornish line. Personally slaying an injured Lewyn Martell, Lyn proved his merit in his fathers eyes and was deemed worth of keeping the family sword instead of his elder brother, Lyonel. Now Lyn has earned some repute in the Vale as a dangerous swordsman, winning duels and what not but for all we know this is hearsay. Is he truly as badass as he’s made out to be? I think not so much. Lewyn Martell was Kingsguard, but appointed most likely as a political maneuver, and he was injured. Perhaps mortally, so that accomplishment, or lack thereof, isn’t saying much to me. And for all the duels he’s won, we know little about his opponents and most likely Lady Forlorn has been the difference maker. Who knows though, maybe Lyn is the best living swordsman in Westeros at the current point of events, but I have a feeling we will find out soon if Winds ever comes out..... Lord Lyonel Corbray? He’s been mentioned a few times but where his loyalty lies I don’t know. Ser Lucas? This is all for speculative purposes and I’m interested in what others think of the Corbray brothers. Thoughts, theories, and predictions are all welcome here.
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    Young Griff: What do we really know?

    Legitimate Targaryen or not, it does not matter. We’re talking about a war torn nation here with no government at this point, big thanks to Varys. The Tyrell-Lannister alliance has crumbled and the throne is now up for grabs, more so than it ever has been in Westeros history. I truly think anyone with the military strength could take the Throne and install themselves as ruler, for atleast a while. What matters most at this point isn’t Aegon’s dynastic legitimacy, it is who he decides to marry that will ultimately determine his popular legitimacy and/or fate. If he claims to be Rhaegar’s son and that goes unquestioned, then he has no need to marry Arianne; Dorne is a natural ally and will aid him regardless. If he marries Margery somehow, that will probably be his surefire way to quickly having powerful allies and a unified South/secured King’s Landing. If he marries Sansa, which I believe to be his best option, he will have unified The Vale, Dorne, The North, and a strong contingent of the Southern lord’s (Hightower, Rowan, possible Tarly) but not the Tyrells so much. He would have to negotiate Tyrell fealty more or less and perhaps oust them all together, but I don’t see them being much of an issue. I believe things will naturally work themselves out after a battle or two. As for The Westerlands, they are more or less moot at this point. Keeping Dorne in the fold is key, however, and they must not doubt Aegon’s parentage at all so he must adhere to that...perhaps offer them a marriage to his first born son and heir, just to keep things happy. With that said, Aegon must never disclose to anyone, at any point, that he might not be Rhaegar’s son. That secret will need to go with him to his grave. If Aegon decides to wait for Dany, then he sacrifices a strong, early unification of Westeros on the basis that he won’t be fighting dragons and foreign savages down the road. But then comes the issue of who’s going to actually rule Westeros; Dany will likely demand Aegon to be king consort, if she doesn’t destroy him first and deny him altogether. Too much risk for Aegon. So with that said, whom Aegon marries will be the biggest factor in determining his reign; his legitimacy or lack there of has no real weight at this point, the Westeros lord’s do, however, and he needs them to stand behind him.
  3. I know there’s a lot of posts on this and what not but I get a lot of enjoyment about of this so I wanted to make this. So before I begin, I wanted to make it known that this is going to be a ranking system of individual fighters, on their prowess and combat skills, with in a 1-10 scoring system. 10 would be near invincible and is used only as a reference because I don’t personally place anyone as a 10 in my rankings; no one is invincible and even the legendary knights of old are mortal. This will cover all periods of Westeros and all fighters will be scored at their prime capabilities, with their weapons of choice (Valyrian Steel weapons are to be calculated for). Mine: 1. Arthur Dayne(Dawn) - 9.7 2. Daemon Blackfyre(Blackfyre) - 9.5 3.The Dragonknight(Dark Sister) - 9.4 4. Gwayne Corbray(Lady Forlorn) - 9.3 5. Barristan Selmy - 9.2 6. Jaime Lannister - 9.1 7. Sandor Clegane - 8.9 8. Oberyn Martell - 8.8 9. Garlan Tyrell - 8.8 10. Gregor Clegane - 8.7 So that’s my top 10. I give anyone with a 9 or above legendary status, these fighters are renown as the greatest of all time. Everyone else is extremely lethal and above 8.5 is what I consider to be top tier quality, marking highly skilled and capable of wounding/killing anyone in certain circumstances. Gregor could kill anyone with a single blow so he’s sort or the anomaly here I used as my example in making the point that everyone here is so deadly, that anything could happen in single combat between any of the above, and lesser skilled fighters could upset higher ranked opponents in certain circumstances. But, these are my rankings when it comes to true prowess and abilities.
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    House Arryn Enters The War

    When I said loose ally, I meant that House Arryn would only initially be in this position. They call their banners to fight House Lannister and the fBaratheons and declare for a King later would be my idea, if things are that complicated with Stannis and Robb at the time. Surely the Vale wouldn’t have to deal with Stannis right away if they’re marching on Tywin or Kings Landing. My enemy’s enemy is my friend. So fighting against the same foe does resemble some loose alliance, to me anyways, whether coordinated or not. The loose ally concept, still, was a bad use of words when regarding The One True King so I do understand your point; Stannis, as you said about his mindset with “your my subject or enemy,” would demand fealty right away most likely and sooner or later the Vale would have to answer or face Stannis himself. But right out of the gate, I would picture the Vale to being able to act independently in the war, and deal with Stannis and swearing fealty later or in the aftermath of a King's Landing siege. So with that said, my whole idea here was to just get speculation on how the Vale militarily impacts the situation with the Lannister army but now I see there are indeed many angels on this that make this a difficult matter to speculate on.
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    House Arryn Enters The War

    That’s what I was looking for, so thank you. Interesting thought about Stannis. With immediate support from the Vale , putting the Renly situation on hold and attacking King’s Landing right away makes a lot of sense. That shadow assassin trick could always be postponed I suppose. But I know there’s a lot of room for speculation on this, from a lot of angels haha but I see that scenario bearing some fruit for Arryn, Stannis, and Robb. . Renly might even renounce his claim at that point. Robb certainly wouldn’t be so indecisive about choosing a King and bending the knee once he sees Stannis take the throne. Say Sansa survives the siege and Stannis offers her to Robb, or perhaps demands fealty first. Either way, I see a Robb/Stannis alliance almost guaranteed if Sansa survives. The Vale entering the war on behalf of Stannis, at the beginning of the war or even later, like you said timing is key, is still bad bad news for The Lannister’s.
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    Robb’s Strategy

    I’ve read multiple opinions on Robb’s strategy in Twotfk, and I’ve heard several takes on when and how he went wrong. My personal opinion is that Robb was doing well, and in a good position overall, all the way up to his broken wedding pact with House Frey and his execution of Rickard Karstark. I forget which came first but they were both abysmal mistakes. A broken oath to a key and already unreliable vassal is a major fuck-up indeed. Beheading one of your principal bannermen and leader of a strong contingent of your army, also a major fuck-up. Perhaps the worse mistake of all though was wasting that much time in the Riverlands to begin with; they say that Roose Bolton originally left the North in service to Robb with no ulterior motives until these events took place, but I believe Roose already had that seed of betrayal planted when Robb, having taken his mother’s advice, went to liberate the Riverlands instead of liberating his liege lord and father, Eddard Stark, who was imprisoned at King’s Landing. Should Robb have marched his army straight towards King’s Landing, taking on Tywin along the way? Tywin has already divided his army at this point, taking 20,000 to Harrenhal. Rob at near that number when he crossed through the neck, maybe more? 18,500 perhaps or more with Manderly men. Bypass The Twins and I like those odds. I do if I’m Roose Bolton anyways. An evenly-matched, pitched battle with the surest chance at reaching King’s Landing before anything happens to Ned. And fuck being King in the North too, he’d still have an open door with a Baratheon alliance once he got that far South if he gets his priorities straight. Freeing Eddard Stark should have been the number one priority here, not aiding House Tully. Their situation was more or less stagnant anyways, they could hold out in siege long enough for whatever Robb’s situation turned out to be. Defeating Tywin and sieging Kings Landing would have sped things up with the Baratheons and one of them would have aided him at this point, had he still just been Robb Stark and not king. Whether or not Robb has the numbers to lay a siege after a major battle with Tywin, or if he even wins that battle...who knows. But I think he might’ve had a shot to save his father and maybe kept Roose on his side if he went through with this strategy.
  7. Throughout history, missile cavalry has been shown to be an effective component in many armies. It is, in my opinion, one of the most complex tactics to defend against in any engagement; missile cavalry has been shown, when used correctly, as highly effective against superior armored units and vastly larger armies, often harassing their flanks and overwhelming the opposition with their hit and run tactics. As far back to the Hellenistic period, we know that the Persians equipped bows from horseback and the Greeks seem to effectively use javelins as well. Then, ofcourse, we had the Huns, using horse archers to deadly effect. The Huns seemed to devastate enemy armies with their hit and run tactics and this is whom we see the Dothraki parallel in Essos; a nomadic tribe-like people with a strong horse-based culture. Then in the Middle Ages, we see horse archers used in Turk armies such as the Cumans. In The Battle on the Marchfeld, the Cumans seem to hold the strongest contingent in the Habsburg army, contributing heavily to the Bohemian defeat. It was said that the Cuman horse archers, some 5000, harassed and wore down the heavily armored knights of the Bohemian army leading to their left flank collapsing and eventual(or unintentional) rout and defeat. I’m sure there are a few others I’m leaving out here so feel free to contribute and broaden my historical knowledge on the topic...any other Middle Ages horse archers that come to mind? And in the books, apart from the Dothraki, who else do we know or presume to use horse archers in ASOIAF? Dorne maybe? They’re the only Westerosi candidate I put forth for this topic...They seem to prefer short, recurve bows...isn’t that the ticket here, we see it used for all of history’s famed horse archer cav. Any feedback is appreciated, thank you!
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    House Arryn Enters The War

    Yeah I’m well aware that my scenario here was a stretch and you can poke a lot of holes in it. My intent here wasn’t so much to focus on the details of House Arryn and how they came to a position of entering the war, just how they would act once their banners were called. With that said, my intention was to have a Lord Arryn with no rift with House Tully and an open-mind towards Stannis and Robb. It’s a stretch, I know, and highly debatable; It’s just for my imagination lol and for forethought on a potentially different outcome to the WotFK, in this scenario. I would see them turning the tide for Stannis; attacking Kings Landing from the North and therefore allowing the city to fall faster, before the Lannister-Tyrell alliance arrives. This is where I’m lost. Would the Tyrells even join the war if they knew House Arryn declared for Stannis?
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    House Arryn Enters The War

    So, presume that an alternate take on events leading up to the War of the Five Kings has taken place, and House Arryn now has a capable leader at the start of the War. Say that Jon Arryn had a son from one of his previous marriages before Lysa, or a nephew from his brother Ronnel; an Arryn with quality leadership traits and the charisma to incite a strong following in The Vale. Call him the new Lord Arryn. He reveals that Lysa is corrupt and colluded with LF in killing Jon Arryn. He has her and Robin exiled from the Vale, not executed, so that he can still form an alliance with potential Stark/Tully factions if need be. He is now the undisputed ruler of the Vale and all the Vale lords support him, and even love him. He’s the new leader and decides to enter the War of the Five Kings. So, however it might have happened and the details are moot at this point, this is my scenario. The enemy is obviously House Lannister and whoever supports the pretender Joffrey. If House Arryn has entered the war as a loose ally to House Stark and Stannis, without any binding pact to either, just as an advocate against house Lannister, how to they play their cards regarding Tywin’s army? Say we know Tywin is at Harrenhal and we pick up right where he’s about to head west, and Stannis’ attack on Kings Landing is about to happen. Do the Vale lord’s attack Harrenhal and pursue Tywin? Or lay siege on Kings Landing? How do you see them entering the mix in this scenario? I know this is all hypothetical but bear with me and just go along because I just want to imagine how this would unfold. I’m very interested in what strategy a Vale army would have for entering this war.
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    Warfare In Westeros

    Well, as you said that the “longbow lost the Hundred Years’ War” I could see how that could be concluded, however, there were many other factors that led to the disastrous English downfall. Political dissension and gradual attrition from decades of invasions and campaigns wore out the English cause. They spread themselves too thin and eventually the War became a pyrrhic cause. The weaponry only played a minor role in the big picture. I agree with many of your points though. The commandery makes all the difference in any battle situation. Eventually every weapon or fighting style exposes a weakness that stern tactics can eventually outwit and exploit.
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    Warfare In Westeros

    Just how exactly is the effectiveness of the longbow vastly exaggerated? I mean these eye-catching victories you speak of surely aren’t exxagerating the effectiveness of the longbow when we see them at Poiters, Crécy, and Agincourt, to name a few. The use of the bow virtually eliminated the effectiveness of heavy cavalry and infantry tactics and brought an end to the dominance of the armored knight as we know it. Commoners found a way to kill the better trained and equipped highborns.
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    Warfare In Westeros

    Combat in Westeros, albeit fictional, has a close resemblance to the Late Middle Ages. However, I believe it’s obviously been fictionalized to accomadate more enhanced-fighting styles, as opposed to the historical portrayals of medieval combat that seem slow, sluggish, and laborious. This world is constructed to entertain more emphasis on dynamic duels and quick-paced maneuvers. Atleast we see that in the single combat scenarios, where I know forsure there is some substantial romance towards the heros’ prowess and abilities. Prime example is Dameon Blackfyre vs. Gwayne Corbray. That fight is said to have lasted an hour and been a glorious duel with mythical steel swords, only possible in a fictiotious element. Not historically useful for accounts on how combat actually was in the medieval ages; killing knights in full plate was more of a glorified contest to remove the armored rider from horseback and overwhelm him, usually to pin him into a prone position and stab him with a dagger in the visor slit, or some other opening in the otherwise impregnabele plate. Boring. Westeros duels and single combat, to me atleast, are far stretched from realism in comparison to history, but that is what I love about it. They are intense and compelling, and they allow the fighters to become larger than life. The large-scale battles are where I speculate the most though. We hear some talk on army composition and battle maneuvering, but I wonder just how so the fighting is played out. I mean just how deadly is an individual knight supposed to be against a mass of armored pikemen, and why isn’t their talk of these knights wielding halberds, pikes, and any other sort of polearm? That, to me, is where I am baffled. If you’re a Barristan Selmy or a Jaime Lannister, you seem to be putting yourself at a strategic disadvantage if you’re using a “longsword” as your primary weapon. I say “longsword” because it’s GRRM’s Westerosi version of the medieval broadsword: a one handed weapon with no real range, not long at all. Seems like a flawed system if you’re making your heroes as deadly and near-invincible as they’re portrayed to be in these large pitched battles. I think any knight would be wise to keep the longsword as their secondary weapon, unless ofcourse you’re wielding a two-handed weapon of actual weight, such as a greatsword or two-handed battle axe. And then there’s the siege battles. Where are the trebuchets? Stone rain sounds like a major game changer to me yet we don’t see any of that in Blackwater or any other Westeros historic battle. Why aren’t there catapults in field battles? Where is the Westeros equivalent of the dominant English longbow, that shattered forces vastly outnumbering them? That bow turned the tide in a war that went on for over a hundred years. These are only thoughts of mine, and I just wondered if anyone else thought the same things or had any insight to offer on the matter.
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    Breaking Down Military Commanders

    Foremost, you’d “follow” your liege lord because you swore them fealty and must keep that oath. To not follow them upon their banners being raised, would make you the coward, unless they are a mad tyrant, demanding you to kill the innocent or something else unjust of that nature. There’s your case for rebellion. Second, commanding from the rear, away from the frontlines does not make someone a coward; Stannis is no coward. I’m sure he enjoys fighting just as much as the average man does, but he knows his true purpose is to be where he can save the most lives for his men. He’s a Baratheon, they are fierce in combat by nature. It’s not cowardly to understand the significance of putting yourself where you can survey the enemy situation and command your troops effectively. I’m sure he’d get stuck in when the time is right, when his men need it most. What they don’t need is for their commander to fall in battle. Wise men stay alive for the greater good, and put the lives of their own men before their pride. I’d rather fight for a Lord with a strategic mind watching the battle , then fight behind or next to a lord that’s not a “coward”. Atleast that way I know their won’t be a cavalry charge into our flank.
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    Breaking Down Military Commanders

    There’s this fantasy element with Robert Baratheon fighting in the frontlines and even with Robb Stark going where the fighting is the thickest, and I think it’s foolish. A wise commander should sit back and make sure his men are well-situated on all flanks and properly reinforced before throwing himself into the mix. Actually, if I’m a Lord/King in command of a large force or any force for that matter, what business do I have leading a charge? As soon as that guy falls, it’s game over. Mass-routing ensues and chaos consumes your ranks. Not only until the moment comes when the enemy force has committed most or all of its units and you’ve situated your’s should you join the combat. Robert seems to get recognition as a great commander but he’s reckless to fight the way he does. He’s the guy you want to come in to turn the tide once the balance of power is in need of it.
  15. So there’s a lot of talk about who the best military commanders of Westeros are, but not too much to be said about strengths and weaknesses. What are the top commanders best suited for is what I want to discuss basically. What are their specialties and where do they belong on the battlefield. I think if a good commander has any sense, no matter how skilled he is in combat, he belongs no where near the frontlines. The ideal commander should sit behind the center or commanding the rearguard. I know there is plenty of room for speculation on many generals’ particular skill sets and I welcome that on this thread. Here’s mine: 1. Stannis - Naval expert, Siege expert, Cavalry commander. He’s the best all-around commander bar none. Rearguard commander 2. Robb Stark - Guerrila deployment, Cavalry Commander. Center 3. Tywin Lannister - Field commander. Rearguard 4. Roose Bolton - Field commander, Rearguard 5. Robert Baratheon - Cavalry Commander. Vanguard 6. Randyl Tarly - Cavalry Commander, All-rounder. Vanguard/Center 7. Jon Arryn - Field Commander. Rearguard I didn’t put a lot of time into this but I think I did enough. What are your thoughts?