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  1. I definitely agree with your post and would guess/prefer option 1. I don't think a time jump would be possible until at least 90% of the way through Winds.
  2. Who says that if a time jump was going to happen that it would have to happen after TWOW? I can totally see George getting to a certain point in Winds (post battles of ice and fire, and after Dany's return, but pre westeros landing) and having the time jump in the damn middle of the book once the story is ready for it.
  3. Well, for one the Night's King isn't a thing in the books, at least not yet (perhaps not ever)... however, the others are pushing south all the same. Also, there will be no big alliance while the Bolton's are in charge of Winterfell. They will have to be dealt with first before a northern alliance can be agreed upon. I do think there will be some alliances made before Ramsey is gone (whatever Stannis has left+the northern mountain tribes+whoever at the wall will agree to help Jon when he returns), but these will be for the purpose of specifically winning back WF. The grand northern alliance can only be achieved when the Bolton's are out of power, with Stark blood leading the way.
  4. There usually is always a threshold for a limit on punishment, however, that threshold varies from person to person and I believe where ever that threshold lies within each person is a greater indicator of their moral compass and possibly their character. I personally believe Theon has suffered enough (physically) and that he should no longer have to endure (physical) punishment. He did murder two children to which he probably can never fully atone for, but does that mean he must suffer for eternity? Ramsay is a sadist, his threshold for punishment is extremely high, his actions help the reader know where his character and moral compass lies. If the parents of those children were alive I'm sure they would want Theon to suffer dearly as well, but would they want him to suffer as much as Ramsay wants him to? Where is their limit? Unfortunately, there is no straight forward answer to your question, but your question does shine a light on morality and how one can take context clues to decipher what is in a person's heart. Hopefully this answer helps some without getting into the laws and punishments related specifically to religions and governments.
  5. Honestly, I'm kind of surprised at the amount of people who think Jon is going to come back as some sort of evil or villainous wight along the lines of LSH or a white walker. Not that that opinion isn't valid, I just believe it very improbable. The differences in resurrection and the situation of death is pretty well defined at this point in the story. He is clearly going the Beric route as he so conveniently has a red priestess hanging around the wall (with noted increased powers) with an obvious fascination in him. Will he be changed into a more brooding, vengeful, and cold person? Yeah, but will he be some villain monster that leads an attack on the north or controls/leads wights? I highly doubt it. Will he become an enemy of the NW and FF? That I doubt, too. He will be definitely be feared and respected (not looking like some undead monster will help as he was only stabbed in the body). Hated by some but they won't have the balls or support to try to kill him again. His motivation, I think, will fully become the preservation of his family, namely Arya at the immediate moment. His prerogative and sense of duty will turn from his vows with the NW to protecting and preserving the only family he has ever known. Ned and Cat (proper) are gone, and Sansa is hiding in the Vale. Every other Stark still alive loved Jon and thought of him as one of the pack. At the moment the only family Jon knows he has left is Arya (I think). Once he finds out more of his siblings are still alive he will understand he needs to keep the pack alive.
  6. My top three events that I'm looking forward to are: 1) The battle of ice and specifically what Stannis does with his Greyjoy prisoners. How will the great northern conspiracy manifest and will it go according to Wyman's plan or will there be hiccups in how it plays out? 2) JonCon and Aegon's siege of Storm's End and the (probably) eventual march on KL. Are there friends in the Reach or have those alliances burned out over time? 3) The mess in the Riverlands. Jaime, Brienne, and LSH. Such a wild card of a story line that I am dying to know how it will play out. Plus, TWoW prologue is being hyped to really kick things off and set the tone for the whole book.
  7. I suppose the question could just as easily be: Does she die in Winds or in Dream? There's no way she makes it to the end as a happy-soggy-zombie-mom, right?? LSH is one of the most mysterious characters I'm looking forward to learning more about as I could see her storyline plausibly going in a number of interesting ways. But when I really think about how she would go out I can only come up with three ways of it happening.. 1. Someone kills her (again). 2. She disappears after satiating whatever is driving her never to be seen again. Maybe an Obi Wan Kenobi fade away? 3. She gives up her own life to save someone else's as Beric did to her. Any of these endings for would be quite enjoyable imo. Entertaining the who's and how's on this one is pretty fun!
  8. I work a desk job and the amount of us who use fantasy/mystery/thriller/horror novels to escape and relax was eye opening. Out of the 15 coworkers I used to share an office with five of us read or were reading the books and another three only watched the show. Many a meeting turned into mini book club discussions
  9. I had a coworker in 2010 who was in love with the series and was trying to get me to read them before Dance came out as she knew I was into fantasy novels. I kept brushing it off until I saw her reading Dance at work... on the clock, haha. By that time the show had premiered and after the first episode I dove into the book series.
  10. So I decided to do some digging to see if we could find an educated estimate on how many (or how few) pages of Winds George has probably written. Fortunately, there are very smart people in this fandom who are willing to put in way more time and effort than I would like to and have essentially answered this question for us! Honestly, I bet the following has probably already been posted in a thread somewhere here before. Aynway! Two links coming your way! The first is from this very forum in 2013. @Coren82 did some nice work on finding out the average chapter lengths in each book. From this we can see that the average pages per chapter has been steadily increasing with each book. We will use this data to estimate about how long each chapter in Winds may average out to. Since AFFC and ADWD were supposed to be one book we can probably safely assume that the average chapter length in Winds will be between 14.5 and 16.4 pages per chapter. Now, how many chapters has George written for Winds? Enter the BFish... https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/hvtrv8/spoilers_extended_a_list_of_every_confirmed_and/ The BFish does some great detective work. Feel free to skip to the conclusion on his post to get the statistical floor and ceiling of confirmed chapters in Winds. All the work below is obviously taken from him. With these confirmed chapters I do assume that they have been written or are being written/revised. The minimum number of confirmed chapters in progress is 38. The number of confirmed completed chapters currently is 30. So if we take the 14.5 (let's just use the smaller number for this exercise) pages per chapter of ADWD and multiply that by 30 (the confirmed completed chapters) we have about 435 pages. If we use the number of confirmed chapters in progress (38) we have 551 pages. So what does this tell us? Well, BFish believes (and I agree) George could be about half way through the book simply based on these 38 confirmed chapters (considering there were 73 chapters in ADWD and 82 in ASOS and we are told this book will be about the size of those two). Now while those numbers only reflect what is confirmed I personally believe that there are many other chapters he has completed or is currently working on that he has dropped zero hints for. George doesn't like updating his followers on his progress so the fact that we have this data surely insists that this isn't the only work he has done. One such as George doesn't pat himself on the back in blog posts every time he completes something. I believe George is probably more than half way done with Winds but as he said in a post a few months ago, there is still a ways to go. Indeed.
  11. The burden of proof is on the one who lays the claim, however sarcastic and lazy. It is not up to me, or anyone else, to find the facts to fit your narrative.
  12. My head says Barristan, but my heart wants Stannis, haha. I'd love for Stannis to stick around into Dream with his influence ever diminishing to the point where both him and Davos are of a similar rank serving whomever leads the north after the BoI. Those Stannis POVs would be gold.
  13. Precisely my thought. If Barristan survives the battle of fire, which I think he will, I believe that his loyalties being tested (and his inner turmoil over the right thing to do vs perhaps what is the most "honorable" thing to do) is most likely his final character arc. If fAegon turns out to actually be a Targ he would have the better claim over Daeny, soooo what's an honorable old man supposed to do?
  14. Yeah, but his arc has been accounted for and noted in EVERY BOOK: Selmy appears in AGoT, ACoK, ASoS, is mentioned in AFFC, and has POVs in ADWD and WoW. Meanwhile Rhaego is only lightly mentioned in four novels and usually as a confirmation of Daeny's progress because he is d-e-a-d dead and not coming back because that would ruin Daeny's progression as a character. So no, I did not ignore him (Selmy) for four books but perhaps you did? Also, Selmy is a POV with a defined character arc that has a fairly clear trajectory for the immediate future, and comparatively, Rhaego never saw the light of day and is barely mentioned after his death. Rhaego served his purpose, there is no need to bring him back in any form but in memory. I'm curious how you can not see how it is possible for Selmy to be the twist. George mentioned the show couldn't do it because the character was killed off, and while that is quite a vague hint and in no way the end-all word for it to be him, Selmy would indeed fit the description. Plus, did I not mention his potential allegiance/loyalty being stretched and tested when he figures out that there is another Targ out there whom he knew and was sworn to protect? Ahh, yes, I did. Just making sure. Start there with your thoughts on him being the twist. There have been many posts and threads on this forum that discusses his potential loyalty issues between Daeny and fAegon should they arise. If he survives the Battle of Fire, it would be a disservice to his character if Selmy doesn't have some sort of internal strife regarding which Targ he should serve once he hears that him and Jon Con and Co. are invading the stormlands.
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