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  1. You know what is (not) funny? You are both right, as both groups will most likely will start a shitstorm (on Twitter, so it's not as if the real world should care), no matter what GRRM would write, so @MelisandresBurningPanties is right, the prudent reaction would be ignoring them. Beside this allegations being unrealistic, as every relationship any being on this planet ever had has a power imbalance woven into it (At the least due to individually different preferences, abilities etc. It's just that - in a lot of species and (theoretically) modern human culture - these kind of imbalances do complement each other, so they don't appear as such on the first glace): What is the suggested solution for these couples? Not loving each other? Deus-ex-machina-leveling the power difference?
  2. Not only that, but also: replacement-writers work so-so than working with material from the bequest of architects (they tend to be better if they were part of a tandem with the deceased to begin with, but not even this is a guarantee for the quality of the work to be on par with before the loss, see Albert Uderzo after the passing of René Goscinny, for example). But GRRM is a gardener, his work is best, then he let's his characters have a say in what and how they would do/react to something and where the story is heading. The whole mess started then he decided he wanted the plot to go in a very specific direction in a very specific way - and then that he could not write that. So the worse case of someone, anyone, trying to finish ASoIaF after GRRMs death could very well turn out to be: "Yup, it's just another Misunderstood-Frank-Herbert-completely-plot, and sorry folks: there is no way to write the characters into this ending without bending them until they break. But at least I was paid for it. *big shrug*"
  3. Not to say that in the world they depicted the murder on the Frey-family would still be seen as mindless slaughter and evil (just as destroying the Vatican), while nobody would have even shrugged because of the Tarlys (or the masters, by the way) - normal warfare here, nothing to see or talk about. Not even that would be much to talk about - Tyros, Korinth, Karthago, Magdeburg, just to name a few of so many cities completely destroyed... Maximum negative reaction of fellow leaders: a frown, a "well, was that necessary?" . And in this special case: a city whose citizens stood by and let the Vatican been blown up, without any consequences for the lunatic who did this? People who stayed behind their walls while the rest of the Kingdom faced the Others? With Cersei not hanging from the City-walls as the armies approached, the city would be magdeburgerised by every historical military you would put in charge.
  4. Aristoteles, while being an important philosopher, is not that dominant in ancient thinking, the Stoa, Epikur (not: Naive Hedonism!) and the Pre-Socrats were much more widespread schools. As becoming a slave could literary happen to everyone if one was unlucky (see Iulius Caesar's episode with the pirates), it was clear to everyone, that Aristoteles was talking nonsense here, his proto-racistic ramble (the darker people being wiser but more decadent and submissive, the paler people being more energetic and more bound to nature but like children and unable to control their emotions) was mostly ignored. There was a lot of cultural chauvinism in every direction in Antiquity, and some xenophobia, but racism was almost non-existent. There are hints for the theory that racism is a result of ethnic-based slavery, not the other way around. And seeing how Aristotele's ramble about "races" became prevalent after the Arabic conquest, when most slaves were either white (Slavs - that's were the word slave is coming from), or black (Africa was raided for slaves very early on), and later with the rise of slavery in the European colonies (of course only the part about the black people ), the theory might be at least partially true. You don't. It's in the Digesta - juristic teachings already hundreds of years old, when they were compiled into the Corpus Iuris Civilis under Iustinianos. That's what people don't understand about the Roman phrase of "slaves being things" in the law - it's not thinking about the person as a thing, but a juristic construct to handle the status of a person, who is not sui iuris, but also not a member of the family and owned by another person. Of course, juristic logic lead to gruesome consequences, just as it did for members of the family who were not sui iuris (who originally were little more than slaves, as the pater familias could sell them, kill them etc. according to the Twelve Tables). These inhumanities were reduced over time (for the family members more than for slaves), with varied success.
  5. He is. Also Marwyn is heading to the Cinnamon Winds while Sam is shown his sleeping cell and walked around - I don't think they will dump Gilly and the baby at some guest-house to wait for Sam who doesn't know where they are. So Gilly and Aemon Steelsong are going to Mereen too. And I'm also quite sure that Marwyn will persuade the captain to not sell the books in Oldtown, but take them with them to the Dragonqueen as well.
  6. I'm with @Arthur Peres concerning the question whether Jon is legitimate, and I think @Thandros summed the situation up quiet well from Ned's perspective. I still however can't understand why Ned didn't tell Cat, and I think he did mess up the lives of both Jon and Cat that way. Sure, in the beginning it makes sense, because he did not know her and might have thought her a gossiping one. But after a few years he should have known better to assume her telling anyone - because I think she wouldn't have. So he should have told Cat the truth, even if he would choose to never tell Jon (which I understand why he wouldn't do this), it would have made both lives a lot happier.
  7. Agree. As multiple have stated over and over: It is not unlikely that, with the Dothraki-storyline and the sorting out of Slavers Bay and the Free Cities, we will be lucky if Dany & Co set sail/decide to make for Westeros in the last Essosian chapter of TWoW. Even if we take into account that a lot will be sorted out already when Dany comes back with Drogo. If Quaithe is indeed someone other than simply Quaithe and/or would appear in person again, she would do this by coming to Dany. We don't even know if Quaithe is in Asshai.
  8. They also didn't understand - and it shows a lot how incompetent readers and writers they are - that neither Ned's death nor the Red Wedding came out of thin air. Both are build up from the start: Ned's failures in playing the game are cumulating till there is no way for him left to realistically come out of this unscathed. Robb wins every battle, but his political mistakes are cumulating; that something is coming is looming over the chapters leading to the Red Wedding, in no way one gets the feeling that Edmure's wedding will make everything okay again in the books. There is no "no one is safe" or "subverting expectations" or "shock" in the books, Martin just builds up very carefully, but every "shock" is just the logical consequence of what happened before it. The reader feels that there is no easy way out, we just did not know how the shit will hit the fan, but everybody reading the books knew it would.
  9. Not only that, but also from other fiction and fandoms... May I, again, point toward this *cogh*: Both Arthas and Sindragosa were a lot cooler btw!
  10. Oh Gods... I forgot that shit... Yes, that was pretty awful, too. Yes, that was essentially what friends told me for seven seasons, starting with the Qarth-storyline. And then I pointed out how they wasted a good opportunity for world building and how the calmer plot in Qarth would have contrasted very well with the action in Westeros from a storytelling perspective, they were: "Nah, it'll fine...". They also didn't really understood why it was so awful to see an idiot-Littlefinger telling his plans to everybody. One of my friend said that the exposition of Littlefinger was necessary because the audience would not get his plot if not told right to their face...
  11. I had no problems with Talisa, just thought it made Rob look too good. I essentially stopped watching the show (just read and watched summaries and singular scenes) with season two, because I was so disappointed with Qarth and how Littlefinger spoiled his plans to the viewers. But most of my friends were still very happy with the show and found ways to justify almost everything up to season six or seven (some even till season eight, because they thought, that D&D will at least get the fight against the Others right... Oh, well).
  12. This could indeed be the aftermatch, because there is always someone stupid enough to try something like that. As for the rest: We do agree on this. Just as @QhorinQuarterhand wrote, we were just playing though shortcut scenarios, and if Martin would decide to cut, it could be done more elegantly in Westeros than in Essos. However: I highly doubt Martin will cut anything - there will be at least three very thick books.
  13. Yes, but there is a difference between a preborn abomination using his powers to ensure there will never be something like him again, and humanity will be free of any other gods, and a similar being without that self-conciousness; not showing even glimpses of it, in fact. The first one is a bitter-sweet ending with much self-sacrifice, the latter is something you want to kill with fire. Agree. But the Dance could still happen after the confrontation with the Other. In fact, it would make Dany and her allies even more unforgiving if they just came down to KL after saving the day, finding a bunch of nut-heads still fighting about some stupid iron chair. It would also fit with, if, while slaying the lie that is Aegon, Dany would decide to go back to Essos, seeing that Westeros is really not worth anyone's time.
  14. We agree on most of the thing about Bran, except this two: I do hope that Bran isn't going this route, he can possess Hodor because Hodor is not very bright, but even Hodor (who knows and likes Bran) is not happy with this. Mindfucking people that way would be a lot worse than actual rape, so I hope that Bran stops this rather sooner then later. But without Leto's agenda, and that's what would make it a horror story. Leto is of course more than a petty king, he is the God Emperor in the end, his rule horrifying even with his agenda and because of the things he has to do to push it forward. I have no love for the institution of human sacrifice, so let's hope that at least this part of the Old God's worship stays dead, too. But yes, I would like it more if he wouldn't go down this standard trope. But the Dance could also be after the dealing with the Others, and of course the Dance could also be scraped completely by now, as it doesn't fit the whole scenario that well to begin with - at least not since Martin started to expand on the Essos-plot. Even if Dany doesn't do all the things the readers want her to do, it will imho take her at least six months to a year to get moving, simply because of geography and logistics. Westeros sitting idle, playing silly games (hm... Peter Gabriel!) starts getting ridiculous by now. We had a Dance with Dragons, might be we don't get a Dance of the Dragons at all.
  15. Imho it would actually work a lot better to have an Essos-centered book with Dany getting shit done, while all the plans and stupid games in Westeros are crumbling into a bit "Oh fuck" and fleeing the Others from the North than having Dany spontaneously deciding to move quickly without even having the proper information at hand and being several weeks away from Mereen alone. At least the people of Westeros would not act out of character in your scenario.
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