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  1. Lord Varys

    Secrets best left buried (Fire & Blood)

    Euron's Valyrian armor and Dragonbinder would fit perfectly if one of the Undying - from whose possessions in the ruined House of Dust Pyat Pree would have most likely salvaged such artifacts if they truly came from Qarth - was indeed an exiled dragonlord/sorcerer prince from Valyria. Perhaps he didn't bring a dragon with him to Qarth (or perhaps said dragon died in the meantime - the Undying of Qarth may have lived to a very ripe old age when Drogon killed them) but he could have brought his armor and his magical Dragonbinder horn. This could also help explain, by the way, why the Undying of Qarth seem to know so much about Daenerys Targaryen's future and why they were interested in her in the first place. This question has never been asked or answered up to this point. I mean, sure, perhaps sorcerers just know stuff, but Dany's is a very special destiny, and at this point nobody but the Undying could catch a glimpse of her future (Melisandre's flames never show her Daenerys Targaryen, for instance) but it would be much more interesting if at least one of the guys she met in the House of the Undying has some connection to her. As for Aerea's infection: There is no reason to believe she was infected with fire wyrms or that these creatures even procreate in this manner. If this were the case Barth would have known it - after all, he later wrote a book which also covered wyrms - and the poor slaves from the story of the kindly man would have been routinely infected by those wyrms. It seems to me that what happened to Aerea is much more hideous, much more evil than anything that could be found at Valyria or the Fourteen Flames prior to the Doom. It would be creatures woken or drawn up to the surface by the Doom, or by whatever caused the Doom, or, if there are still living creatures in Valyria, by the rituals and practices such beings perform. For instance, one wonders why Aerea died only as late as she did. Do those creatures just take a long time to gestate? Or did she only catch them shortly before she fled Valyria - if that were the case, how is it that she only caught them this late? If there were people there then whatever cult or sect operates in Valyria may use those things as a precautionary measure to control new adepts - perhaps those things only kill you the way they killed Aerea if you leave the confines of the heat and fire that still rule Valyria? There are so many possibilities there, and we should very much keep in mind that there are things, a lot of things, actually, that Aerea shared with Barth and Benifer that neither of them ever entrusted to parchment or paper. She may have told them what she did in Valyria, who she met, who and what she saw, etc. This whole thing is basically a Lovecraftian episode in ASoIaF, and like any good Lovecraftian episode, the real terror is only hinted at. If George had wanted to send the message that Balerion had been infected/possessed by same things as Aerea then he would have likely described his injures as looking as if something had caused them from the inside. But this wasn't done. Instead the message his wounds send is that there are creatures in Valyria today large enough to severely injure Balerion. Likely creatures that are no airborne.
  2. Lord Varys

    The three Kingsguard were loyal to Rhaegar, not Aerys.

    One assumes Hoster Tully was very much a haggler there. Ned Stark showed up with his host in the Riverlands, and he agreed to help him save Robert with the Tully men (and perhaps some other houses close to Riverrun) to save Robert at Stoney Sept, but he would have made it clear that this was not meaning he espoused the rebel cause as such nor would he commit any further troops to the rebel cause until his demands were met. After all, one can construe the Stoney Sept thing as doing a friend a favor and restoring the King's Peace in your own lands - even more so since the rebel leader, Robert Baratheon, was afterwards in Hoster Tully's hands and could have been handed over to the king. And thinking about that possibility: Perhaps Ned only had marched with a small advance army to the Riverlands by that point? Perhaps the main strength of the North was only assembled by the time of the Trident? The months passing between Stoney Sept and the Trident make no sense if large foreign armies - from the Vale and the North - had already assembled in the Riverlands this early. They would have to do something. They could not stick around this long in the land in late winter/early spring, doing pretty much nothing of significance. So perhaps Ned and Robert (and even Jon Arryn, who seems to have arrived later) were essentially at Hoster's mercy at this point, being completely dependent on him to continue the war and thus forced to meet all his demands. If we don't assume something like that then the entire early narrative of Ned and Jon basically marrying the Tully girls in exchange for the support of Lord Hoster and whatever Riverlords would follow his lead would break down. If Hoster already had fully committed himself to the rebel cause by accompanying Ned to Stoney Sept, Jon Arryn - who apparently wasn't there yet - would in no way have been bound to marry soiled Lysa. After all, if Hoster's actions at Stoney Sept made him a rebel, too, he could not have made any demands, could he? He could either side with the rebels or face the Targaryen wrath alone. As for the time after Stoney Sept: George should elaborate somewhat more on the battles/events happening thereafter. We know Ned supposedly rode to war immediately after the wedding, which makes no sense if nothing happened between Stoney Sept/the wedding and the Trident. And we cannot really retcon this as Cat misremembering. The memory is connected to her wedding and her first interactions with her husband. She would only misremember there if she was already senile - which she is not in AGoT. The rebels could have had some issues getting the Vale men to the mainland of Westeros (we don't know whether the war was fought in the last years of winter or early spring - and even if it already were spring this would be no guarantee that the high road was open yet) and Robert may also have tried to get some support from the Stormlands (although I don't see how any of the men there could have joined him easily). Hoster could have had severe problems with many a Riverlord attacking him and/or refusing to commit his men to his cause. We do know that there were campaigns against Targaryen loyalists in the Riverlands. A possible interesting campaign idea there to explain how Ned was occupied and separated from Catelyn in those days might be that Lord Whent (whoever he may have been at the time) took it upon himself to march against the rebels while Rhaegar was marshaling his own army. This could help explain the further decline of House Whent and how some of the sons of Lord Walter died in such a campaign.
  3. Lord Varys

    Secrets best left buried (Fire & Blood)

    The difficult thing is that we know essentially nothing about Aerea's time in Valyria? Did she interact with other people there? If so, where they humans, monstrosities, demons, etc.? Was she part of a group of individuals there or completely on her own? Valyria is not Dany's 'Dragonstone' in the Dothraki Sea... Also, considering the destruction in Valyria Balerion would likely have to fly very far across the Lands of the Long Summer to hunt down food for himself, I don't think it is a given he (or they, if Aerea routinely accompanied him on hunting trips) was stuck in Valyria the entire time. But this is all a complete void we cannot really fill. All I think we can do is to sift the less likely from the more likely scenarios. And both Balerion's wounds and Aerea's infection/possession implies they were doing more than just subsisting in the middle of nowhere. We have no clues where in Valyria or the Lands of the Long Summer you get what killed Aerea or where there are monsters large enough to injure Balerion pretty severely, but chances are pretty high, I'd think, that this doesn't happen out in the open at pretty every place... In that sense, I think these two - or at least Aerea - did some exploring - and Balerion then had to deal with the monsters Aerea roused... But if Aerea chanced upon a community of beings in Valyria/the lands around Valyria she and Balerion might actually have been separated for a time.
  4. Lord Varys

    Secrets best left buried (Fire & Blood)

    Not really. The man is not suicidal. And he is no great genius, either. He great plan is something grown entirely out of chance. Had he not chanced on the ship carrying Pyat Pree and the other Qartheen he wouldn't have returned to Pyke. He would still be nothing but a pirate.
  5. Lord Varys

    Secrets best left buried (Fire & Blood)

    Euron may also have lied about having a dragon egg. Nobody has independently confirmed that claim, no? In addition, one also has to ask the question why Balerion should have wanted to stay with Aerea for as long as he did? He should have had countless opportunities to just fly away and abandon her, right? Not to mention devouring/killing her if he had had enough of her and felt annoyed by her presence... Oh, well, we don't know how it came that Aerea/Balerion left Valyria. She must have had access to food there, or else she would have been long dead. The fact that he allowed Viserys on his back puts this really into perspective. Aerea was much more strong-willed than this guy, so even if we take into account that the Black Dread seems to have been already dying at that time, it is still odd to assume he should have bowed down to Viserys and not Aerea. And with Aegon and Maegor apparently never having any problems with Balerion - and neither young Laena nor young Aemond with Vhagar - I don't really think it makes much sense to assume that Balerion's bond with Aerea was much different. It is a pity that we didn't get another rider for Dreamfyre.
  6. Lord Varys

    A+J=T v.9

    She is his aunt, she is not a person who knows him best. They didn't spend much time together after his childhood. Jaime squired at Crakehall, went to the Kingswood, and then he joined the KG gluing him to KL for most of his adult life - first under Aerys II and then under Robert. There seem to have been some extended visits allowing him to bond with Tyrion, but nothing indicates he was particularly close to his aunt. And it is quite clear that she doesn't really understand what drives him. Jaime does not like to be treated like a pawn moved at the will of others. He does not like it that Cersei or Tywin make his decisions for him - he did not like it be named Lord Commander of the Kingsguard in his absence, that men were named to the KG he supposedly commanded without first consulting him, and that his sister and father made plans for his future after the victory without so much as asking his opinion first. This has little to do with loyalty of the type Kevan may or not be feeling - and we don't really know what drove Kevan. Brotherly loyalty or rather the realization that sticking to Tywin would allow him to raise as high as a younger brother of a great lord could possibly rise. But to get back on track - Genna has no clue as to why Jaime joined the KG. His admiration for Ser Arthur Dayne had essentially nothing to do with that. You only cite the threats. You have to go to the passage when Tyrion learns that Alayaya has been whipped by Tywin. His thoughts make it clear that he feels he now has to treat Tommen in kind - that thing breaks down immediately since he then learns he no longer has Tommen, but the chances are not that low that he would have punished Tommen in kind to demonstrate he was not making weak threats. Tyrion once was a kind boy but Tywin twisted him in no small degree. Tyrion consciously and unconsciously emulates Tywin due to all the lessons he learned. Oh, there wouldn't necessarily be a need for Tywin to test anything. All he would need to know that Tyrion is not his son is that Aerys and Joanna had sex around the time of Tyrion's conception and that he, Tywin Lannister, did not have sex with his lady wife in that particular time. And that this is the case is not impossible at all if Joanna and Aerys actually had a consensual affair - and even if not, Tywin and Joanna may have just been too occupied with other things during the anniversary tourney and then after the Aerys-Joanna thing Joanna was not exactly inclined to share the bed with Tywin afterwards.t Dragons don't prove anything, by the way. Sure, the Lannisters apparently don't have the blood of the dragon officially but Tytos and/or Jason Lannister could easily enough have not been Lord Gerold's son(s) but rather the seed of Aegon V. Lady Rohanne Webber Osgrey Lannister has a history with Dunk and Egg, and she could certainly have had an affair with the latter. If Tyrion became a dragonrider nobody does have to come to the conclusion that he is the son of Aerys II. They could find other ways to explain this. Not sure what kind of rumors you are talking about here. Tywin certainly could have known about the twincest, but there are no rumors that the twins are Aerys' children in those books. None at all. Not really. They are in love as twins, but that's something that can and does happen. The Targaryen practice incest but they are not carrying the trait of falling in love with their siblings in their blood. Cersei becoming unhinged somewhat is also not a trait exclusive to the Targaryens. Alannys Harlaw and her sister are unhinged, too, as were Catelyn (after Bran's death and later as Lady Stoneheart) and Lysa Tully. In fact, there are noteworthy parallels between Catelyn and Rhaenyra yet nobody seems to insist that Cat and Lysa must be Targaryen descendants/children of Aerys II - although that's certainly possible. The idea that Cersei/Jaime are not Tywin's is an idea completely based on fan speculation. There is no concrete textual evidence whatsoever pointing in that direction. Unlike in Tyrion's case. Just to clarify: Tyrion could ride a dragon without being Aerys' son. George can make that happen without going down that road.
  7. Lord Varys

    The three Kingsguard were loyal to Rhaegar, not Aerys.

    At this point no connection between the Ghost of High Heart and the Green Men has been established. Why should we assume Howland must have known things she knew/prophesied? It is noteworthy, though, that Brandon Stark and the Reeds do not, in fact, go to Greywater Watch to get special knowledge from Howland nor do they continue from there to the Isle of Faces. They go beyond the Wall. It may be that Bloodraven is in magical contact with the Green Men via the weirwoods, but if that's the case this has yet to be established. Nothing we know indicates that such a connection influenced the decisions of the people in the main series at this point.
  8. Lord Varys

    The Pact of Ice and Fire

    If we speculate about a Stark betrothed for Daeron I then one of Lord Cregan's daughters by Black Aly - especially one of the younger daughters - seems to me much more likely than a daughter of Rickon's.
  9. Lord Varys

    Who builds better ships?

    Yeah, although we'll have to wait and see where his voyages go and how successful and profitable his enterprises actually are. The first voyage seems to have been fun, but not exactly very profitable. They kept Castle Driftmark and certainly would have stored some stuff there. But High Tide and all the valuables and treasures stored there were lost. That's when House Velaryon likely lost it status as richest house in the Seven Kingdoms, most likely. But the fleet Alyn controls is still very large, and his cousins have ships of their own. Oh, the Velaryons not replacing the ships they lost at Dragonstone is just an assumption on my part. If they had remotely as many ships as Alyn had during the War of the Five Kings Stannis' fleet would have been enormous. They still have ships in ACoK and they are still the strongest house sworn to Dragonstone, but their ships do not make up the majority of the royal fleet under Stannis' control. Which means either the Velaryons lost the bulk of the war ships at the end of the Rebellion in the storm, or their fleet declined for some other reasons during the centuries due to some other tragedies. If the latter were the case we don't know anything about that at this point. And since Alyn seems to have been rebuilding Velaryon wealth chances are not that great that such a decline took place - after all, Lord Lucerys Velaryon was Master of Ships under Aerys II, implying that the Velaryons kept their 'almost hereditary' office until the end of the Targaryen reign. That implies the Velaryons remained important. One assumes the current weakness of House Velaryon stems from the fact that Monford has only a boy heir. Davos gives us the impression both the Velaryons and the Celtigars are still very rich and very haughty and arrogant because of that, that implies they did only decline in political and military power, not so much in wealth. Robert's rise should have been very unpleasant for the lords of the Narrow Sea since they have been Targaryen men since the beginning, and Robert couldn't really risk them assisting Viserys III in an invasion - not to mention that historically the Velaryons and Baratheons were competing for the position of second house in the Realm, meaning that Robert would have likely not been very lenient to them even if they hadn't been traditional Targaryen loyalists. I expect Driftmark and the Velaryons to feature more prominently in the main series when Aegon and/or Daenerys rise to the Iron Throne. A restored Targaryen monarch is very likely to call or draw traditional Targaryen men to court.
  10. Lord Varys

    Secrets best left buried (Fire & Blood)

    Perhaps the Undying were there - before the Doom struck Valyria. Or, more likely, the Undying captured Dragonbinder during a war between Valyria and Qarth (or some dragonlord families) prior to the Doom. It is even possible that one of the Undying was an exiled dragonlord from Valyria, taking all his possessions with him when he moved from Valyria to Qarth. The idea that an artifact as fragile as that horn actually survived the Doom of Valyria is completely preposterous, too, if you think about that for a moment. Dragons burned in that fire, how should that horn have survived that inferno intact? And how on earth should have Euron stumbled on it? We have a much better scenario to explain him having the horn - especially since he fails to mention his Qartheen prisoners in his conversations with his Ironborn in AFfC. Why do you think is that?
  11. Lord Varys

    King Tommen

    No idea. I think, though, that either he or Myrcella might die a very cruel death in the dry moat of Maegor's Holdfast. FaB made this the prominent place of death for a number of people, and it has yet to show this grisly prominence in the main series. Thus I'm pretty certain we are going to see a major character dying on those spikes. Considering Tommen and Myrcella are not POVs it might even be that one of them dying in this manner might turn out to be as mysterious as the death of Queen Jaehaera with neither Cersei and the other POVs and characters at first knowing who is responsible.
  12. Oh, we have no evidence that Ned ever 'showed up' with a newborn infant at court. If I were Ned I'd talk only about Lyanna and her death, not about any bastards I may have fathered around the same time. Keep in mind that Catelyn believes Ned fathered Jon Snow after their wedding - which implies that the official birth date of 'Jon Snow' is likely not exactly identical with that of Lyanna's child. Ned certainly talked with Robert about his bastard and the mother of his bastard at one point, but there is no reason to assume this took place after he returned from Dorne at the end of the Rebellion. It could have been during a later visit to KL - after Robert had learned that Ned was raising a bastard son of his at Winterfell (something Ned also had no reason to announce to the court). Their conversation about Jon could have taken place as late as their last meeting - during the Greyjoy Rebellion. In that sense, I think the assumption many people make that Ned couldn't have possibly told anyone about Lyanna's pregnancy because that would have caused people to immediately jump to the conclusion that this 'Jon Snow' boy must or might be Lyanna's child are not well-founded. All Ned needed to do to get away with his story is to keep 'Jon Snow' and Lyanna's death in childbirth two completely separate issues. And the way to do that would have to introduce 'Jon Snow' only into the world at a point in time when Robert and his court had already bought Ned's version of the Lyanna story. We do know that at this point nobody (openly) suspects Alayne Stone is Sansa Stark - never mind the fact that it should be much more easier to track down a 13-year-old bastard girl (and figure out that it did not exist until very recently) than it should be to determine whether Eddard Stark's bastard is actually Lyanna Stark's son. Thus it seems very likely that it is actually remarkably easy in this world to disguise children the way Ned Stark did - because, as Littlefinger said, bastards are distasteful and shameful affairs, and the noblemen do their best to overlook their presence - or even existence. One should also keep in mind that once Lyanna's child was successfully remade into Ned's bastard any danger the boy could possibly pose to Robert was gone. Nobody knew Lyanna gave Rhaegar another son, nothing in the boy's appearance reveals his Targaryen ancestry. This means there is literally neither a reason to believe there is such a child nor a way to prove that 'Jon Snow' is such a child - which is going to be relevant later on, since all 'Jon Snow' has to prove his real parentage are, most likely, weirdo visions from a greenseer and tales told by people who claim to know stuff. That's even worse than Stannis' claim that Cersei's children are not Robert's. Even if Robert were to suspect something - and there are hints that he might suspect something, considering he talks about Ned's bastard during a conversation where he wants to talk to him about the surviving Targaryens - there is no chance that 'Jon Snow' would be in any danger from him while he remained 'Jon Snow', Ned Stark's bastard. The difference between Lyanna's child and Elia's children is that the latter are confirmed royal children who lived at court and whose claims are known to all Westeros - Lyanna's child was not born at court, nor presented to the king its birth announced to the world. Officially and in the eyes of the public this child never existed. And that's why 'Jon' could be raised in plain sight, basically.
  13. Lord Varys

    Who builds better ships?

    Oh, by the time of the Regency Driftmark looks still very strong - they were much stronger still before the Gullet, but Alyn Velaryon is not a minor lord. Unless some other great tragedy strikes between 136 AC and Robert's Rebellion I'd say the destruction of the Targaryen fleet off Dragonstone in the night of Dany's birth - most ships would have been Velaryon ships, presumably - in combination with Robert flat-out barring them from replacing the lost war ships after he took power - and placing the entire newly built royal fleet under Stannis' command as Lord of Dragonstone - is what caused the Velaryons to decline. Prior to that they should have still been pretty great lords. Not as great as the Sea Snake, of course, but Alyn Oakenfist seems to have been not that far behind his (grand)father insofar as fame is concerned. House Velaryon should have reaped great rewards just for the role Lord Alyn played in the Conquest of Dorne.
  14. Lord Varys

    Renly winning would have been a disaster.

    No, we have evidence that Renly said he would have a son before the end of the year. That doesn't tell us anything about whether he wanted children or not. Nor does it say anything about who would have fathered that son. Not exactly. For once, we don't buy that Renly and Loras are actually going to pray, no? So the talk of praying here is code for 'having sex' or at least 'being intimate in a romantic way'. We can all buy that it has been long that Renly has actually prayed, but do we really think the last time Renly and Loras fucked was so long ago that Renly had forgotten how? I don't think so. The overall way in which Margaery-Renly-Loras are described and observed by Catelyn implies that Renly did not exactly spend his nights with her. This is later confirmed when Margaery and the Tyrells insist Margaery is still a maiden - something I actually buy. I don't see any reason to believe Renly ever deflowered her. See above. He claimed he would have such a son. Just as he claimed Dorne would join him. Give me a quote where Tywin or any Lannister chides Cersei for not producing trueborn Baratheon heirs. Nobody blames her for any of that - not Tywin, not Kevan, not Tyrion, no one. It is your opinion that this was a stupid move - and to a point I can agree with that. But you do know that Stannis has no proof about the true parentage of Cersei's children, right? If Cersei's children had been Robert's seed but had still had blond hair for some freak reason then Stannis would have still tried to steal the throne, and Renly would have gone to war, too. Renly does not claim the throne because he thinks Cersei's children have no right to the throne. The taint of bastardy can be arbitrarily invented, too. Like Aegon IV and the Blackfyre cronies did in the case of Daeron II. Or like Stannis did in the case of Cersei's children - that he happened to have guessed correctly doesn't mean he was justified to arbitrarily declare his brother's sons to be bastards. But, again - give us quotes where Tywin and Mace care about the legitimacy of royal children. The Tyrells believe that Joffrey and Tommen are not Robert's children - yet they still marry Margaery to each of them to make her queen. A King Renly and Queen Margaery would have needed heirs, yes, but it is not necessary that such heirs be fathered by King Renly. If Renly had had the same problem as Aegon the Conqueror (who was very likely sterile) they would have found a solution, too. The Strongs had pretty much nothing to do with the outbreak of the Dance. This was about Rhaenyra's succession - the succession of her children was just a minor detail muddying the water some more. Alicent and Otto would have acted exactly the same way they did if her children by Laenor had all had purple eyes and silver-gold hair. No, it was another precedent of the same type. Prior Renly's hypothetical successful rebellion and usurpation the only precedent people could point to was Robert's ascension. Now they would have two such precedents - the first one set by Robert, the second one set by Renly. How do you know that? Robert's victory was already a disaster. It invited Balon Greyjoy to crown himself and rebel, something no Ironborn lord had down since the Conquest. It basically caused the entire War of the Five Kings because both the king's brothers and many lords of the Realm care more about brute strength than the rule of law. After Robert's death four lords emulate Robert - Renly, Stannis, Balon (yet again), and Robb. They all follow Robert's example, something that didn't happen before Robert. Making your followers happy and being popular is not the same as being a good king. Robert was popular and a people person, too, yet he was one of the worst kings Westeros ever had. I'm not saying Renly would have been as worse as Robert, but I really don't see many qualities in him that make it likely he would have been more than average as a king. If there is no evidence that he was I've no reason to believe that he was. The time to think that a guy is great is when you have reason to believe he is great, not when you cannot prove that he is not great. Without evidence that she wanted to murder Renly and Stannis you cannot pretend that this is a given. Cersei was sincerely offering Ned to join her or to go back home to Winterfell. There are other ways to deal with people than just killing them - she even wanted him to go to the Wall after he was arrested. She did not want to see him executed. And what right does Renly have to hold Storm's End? It should have gone to one of Robert's children or Stannis, not the youngest brother. What the king gives the king can take again.
  15. Lord Varys

    The three Kingsguard were loyal to Rhaegar, not Aerys.

    If that were the case, then this prophecy should have been made when the woods witch made her prophecy to Jaehaerys II during the reign of Aegon V, no? Rhaegar thinks his son by Elia Martell is the promised prince whose song is the song of ice and fire, meaning that he had that information at least at this point. That, in turn, means chances are not that bad that the information had already been there when the marriage of Prince Rhaegar was arranged - as there is no indication that either Aerys II or Rhaegar met/interacted with/asked the Ghost of High Heart anything about the prophecy in the years between the betrothal of Rhaegar to Elia and the birth of Rhaegar's son Aegon. Considering a significant portion of the readership makes this rather obvious (and somewhat ham-fisted) connection of ice-Stark and fire-Targaryen (with Jon Snow being either 'very super special' because he is this song of ice and fire in the flesh, or because his parentage causes him to have that song) it is completely implausible that the people being obsessed with the prophecy never made that connection. The fact that a Targaryen-Stark marriage was never a priority to the Targaryens strongly implies this interpretation is pretty much a dead end. The magical bloodline bringing forth the promised prince is the Targaryen bloodline, apparently, they are the ones who wait for a prince who has been promised, not any other family/house. There is no chance that the child born to Rhaegar and Lyanna was seen as 'a/the rightful king' by anyone, nor is there any chance that his mother and three bodyguards in the middle of nowhere were setting up 'a regency government' for a boy who wasn't a king. Like in the real (medieval) world there are no fixed rules how a regency for a minor or incapacitated king works. If the heir is a minor then usually the dying monarch leaves a will appointing a regent or regency government, but that is not necessarily followed - the regency is settled after the death of the monarch, and with the monarch dead his voice/opinion on the matter is irrelevant. We see this countless times in the real world and in Westerosi history. Robert wanted Ned to serve as regent for his minor son, but Cersei seized the regency. Before you set up a regency government you first have to have a king, though. Which means a coronation/anointing or at least a proclamation of the heir/claimant/pretender you want to see on the throne. This is best evident in how Prince Aegon is seen right now by his own followers. He is still a prince, not King Aegon VI. Connington and the other members of the gang don't give each other fancy titles on the Shy Maid, Connington was the the Lord Regent of young King Aegon until the boy celebrated his sixteenth nameday, etc. Until such a time as Aegon is crowned king he will remain a mere prince, despite the fact that he and his gang think he has the best claim to the Iron Throne. And only when he is king and sits on the throne, etc. will he have a proper government. Also, in Westerosi history we see that a proper regency government is only set up when a king is actually installed - not before. This is most evident in the case of Aegon III where the regency council of seven regents and the Hand and the Protector of the Realm are only named after Aegon III is crowned and anointed king. Jaehaerys I also only becomes a proper king in his Oldtown coronation and while it is clear that his mother is going to serve as his regent and Lord Rogar as Protector of the Realm and Hand and he names a Lord Commander of the Kingsguard before his coronation, the proper regency government is only set up after the Oldtown coronation. In that sense, Lyanna was at best the dying guardian of her child, whereas the KG at the tower could have sworn their personal loyalty to the newborn prince (assuming there was a proper marriage and they accepted its validity). Them doing that would not make him king. In fact, it is a completely ridiculous assumption that they would proclaim a newborn infant king in the middle of nowhere or do him homage as king at a moment when the war has been lost and the Targaryen dynasty has been pretty much deposed (Dragonstone excluded at this point). This would only endanger the life of the child - 'to crown her is to kill her', as both Illyrio and Tyrion understand when Myrcella is discussed. If the KG at the tower cared about the life of Lyanna's child - which we assume - they would not proclaim it king. Even if they thought the child had the best claim they would wait for the right moment to press that claim - like Connington and company do with Prince Aegon. But chances are not that great that anyone there thought Lyanna's infant child had the best claim. He was born in the middle of nowhere, after the death of his princely father and possibly even after the death of King Aerys II. The hope for the future of House Targaryen lay with Viserys III - still a child, but much older than Lyanna's child (or the other children allegedly killed in KL), and thus much more likely to draw people to his banners. Even if there had been a peaceful succession and the choice had been between Rhaegar's infant son and Viserys most of the court and Realm would have favored Viserys because his ascension would have meant a shorter regency and thus more stability. Finally, we also have more than ample evidence that the Kingsguard played no deciding role when the succession was in doubt or questioned. Nobody ever asked them for their opinion who should sit the throne. They just did as they were told. And when they actually showed some initiative - like Criston Cole or the two morons who thought that Jaehaerys I would reward their treason - then they paid very dearly for presuming to think for themselves. Thus it would be completely out of character for the three KG with Lyanna to actually presume to make a king in the middle of nowhere, especially since no member of the royal family or King Aerys II's government was with them. We see during the Dance that even great lords are reluctant to proclaim kings - after the news of the death of Prince Aemond reach the Greens at Tumbleton they do not crown Daeron the Daring their king, nor do they declare him Prince of Dragonstone - because they do not know whether Aegon II is alive or dead. Many people have made assertions and declarations what the KG at the tower may or must have known when Ned arrived there - but even if we were to grant all that (which I'm not doing - they may have had rumors and reports that Rhaegar and Aerys II were dead, but they should not have had good news about the fate of Rhaenys and Aegon) then it is still very, very unlikely that they would have proclaimed a king without first consulting with the Queen Dowager and her son Viserys on Dragonstone. Doing that would have weakened House Targaryen even further - not to mention that they may have known that Viserys III was the chosen and anointed heir of Aerys II, anyway, making it a completely moot point to consider the proclamation of another king.