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  1. There's some ambiguity in the words about that, which I think has led to misundestsndings. Marwyn isn't saying that the other maesters don't trust him. He's saying that they shouldn't, that he has a hidden agenda. In light of the advice he gave Sam -- "Tell them how wise and good they are," etc. -- it seems likely that that's what he has done.
  2. Well, maybe I misunderstood your first post. You gave two examples from the story. The first is clearly about love vs. honor. Jon must choose between keeping his oath and helping people he loves. The second example is about Jaime choosing between two (or more) oaths, when he's in a situation that forces him to break one of them. That's a little more abstract. Some people might have a guiding principle to resolve the conflict, such as, "my oath to the king overrides my oath to anyone else." But not Jaime. He makes his own decicions about which oath to obey in each siruation. What these two excerpts have in common is that they both involve the same dilemma: should I keep a promise I made in the past, or should I do what seems right to me in the present moment? There are numerous other examples of characters making this specific type of choice. So I can see how readers might think that love vs. honor is the central theme of the whole story. I think that "choice and consequences," without any qualifiers, is too broad to be considered the theme. Every story ever written has moments where a character must make a choice, and the choice has a big impact on the character and his world.
  3. Does ASOIAF have a central theme? I don't think GRRM set out to to write a story with a Message. He just wanted to write a really great story, with relatable characters dealing with real-life issues of love and hate, loyalty and betrayal, honesty and deception. In the course of 5000 pages, the story covers a lot of different themes and ideas. A reader may percieve one of these themes as being The Real Message; but that may say more about the reader than the book. When I read (or re-read, or re-re-read) the story, the thing that jumps out for me is ... well, it's hard to think of one word for it, so I'll go with "stupidity." Winter is coming. The Long Night is coming. The Others are coming, with their undead minions. But the kings and lords are ignoring the threats, and wasting their resources on petty political squabbles. If I thought that ASOIAF had a central theme, that would be it. "Wake up, human race! Hard times are coming,and your leaders are ignoring the threats, and wasting our resources on petty political squabbles." But that's just me. Maybe I shouldn't listen to so many newscasts.
  4. I'm not so sure that Jorah Mormont deserves a place in the Kingsguard. He seems to be a man who will abandon his honor when things get tough. His love for Lynesse Hightower led him into the slave trade. His desire to get out of exile led him to spy on Daenerys, but his love for Daenerys led him to turn his cloak. And when she called him on the spying, he made excuses and denied responsibility for his actions. I actually kind of like the guy; I hope he comes to a good end. But not in the Kingsguard; I don't think he's quite the caliber for that.
  5. Lady Rose, I think your view of Jon Snow is overly harsh, fueled by a few small excerpts from his story. Looking at his entire arc, we see that he has done more to make peace with the Free Folk, and to protect them, than anyone else in the Night's watch -- more, in fact, than anyone else in the history of the Known World. He broke with tradition, and angered many of his black brothers, by negotiating with the FF's leaders and allowing tbem South of the Wall. He's feeding and protecting them, and he even sent men and ships to rescue the ones at Hardhome.
  6. Of course ... and I have my doubts. There's very little evidence for this. TWOIAF tells us that there are some folk tales or legends -- "the most acient of tales" -- of a time when the seasons were predictable. The maesters are divided over whether this is true, and whether magic is involved. I don't know of much else that supports the idea. Of course, GRRM loves his foreshadowings; so the mere presence of that one paragraph in TWOIAF may be a stronger clue than the words alone. If you know of other theories with more evidence, can you post some links please?
  7. ASOIAF has been around for a couple of decades now. It's entirely possible that there are authors who have been influenced by it, or have downright stolen ideas from it. A few years ago, a friend lent me a science fiction book that she liked, and in the first few chapters, I noticed about a dozen similarities to ASOIAF. There were even two characters named Jora'h and Bron'n, written like that with the apostrophes. I gave the book back to her, and told her the title should have been "Game of Thrones in Outer Space."
  8. Sorry, my first question was unclear. What I meant is: What makes you think that the seasons will become regular?
  9. What makes you think this will happen? To answer your broader question, I don't think any part of the North can be described as rich, except maybe for White Harbor. The North is very sparsely populated. Some of the lords in their castles may be wealthy, but the smallfolk that pay their taxes probably have a tough life. The most prosperous parts are probably the southron regions, and also the coastal areas where the Winter cold is moderated by the ocean, and where ships can dock to facilitate trade.
  10. My approach will be much like Camilo's. The first time, I will read it as fast as I can, because I'll be dying to find out what happens next. Then I'll go back and read it again, more slowly, so I can savor all the rich detail, and look for clues that may provide a solution to old mysteries, or start some new ones.
  11. I don't think it's fair to include Tyrion in that list. He didn't want to marry her; he was forced into it, much like she was. He could have taken advantage of the situation, but he was always kind and courteous to her.
  12. We've been warned repeatedly that prophecies are unreliable, "a sword without a hilt." Melisandre is one of the most skilled at reading the flames, but her track record is far from perfect, e.g. the Blackwater. Jojen Reed says his green dreams always come true; but the content of those dreams is often cryptic and hard for even him to understand, such as the sea coming to Winterfell. In such a world, a good prophet is one who doesn't try to interpret the prophecy, but simply passes along what they perceive. Melisandre looks into the fire and sees visions. Maybe Quaithe listens to the fire (or the wind, or something) and hears words. And just for fun, suppose Quaithe had in fact spoken very plainly to Daenerys: "you must go back to Vaes Dothrak, and then to Asshai," or some such. Would the outcome have been better for anyone? Melisandre spoke plainly to Stannis in some cases e.g. "give me your nephew so I can kill him and make a stone dragon come to life" (not in those exact words, of course). It didn't seem to help.
  13. I'm not so sure about that. Lazy Leo doesn't seem especially smart, or honorable. Maybe Marwyn isn't as secretive as you suggest. As you say, neither of us knows for sure. And I will admit to having a bias. I like Marwyn; he's my favorite character, and I don't want him to be evil. When you look at everything we know about his entire life, I just don't think it adds up to him being a bad guy, compared to someone like Qyburn who had red flags out as soon as he appeared on the page. So (returning to the original topic) I think it's unlikely that Gilly is on her way to Essos. If it turns out that she is, my hat will be off to you for figuring it out from such faint clues. But for now, I'm still on Team Marwyn.
  14. I don't think there's any evidence for either part of this. There's no reason to think that Marwyn knows that "Pate" is an impostor. And if he did, that would probably be a reason for him to not let fPate in on his secrets.
  15. It's true that there's no proof either way, and I think you're judging Marwyn too harshly. His associations with those four characters are so vague, they don't tell us anything about his character. We know he also keeps company with "whores and hedge wizards," people from all walks of life, of many races, speaking their languages and honoring their religions. We know that he's traveled the world in search of knowledge, and written at least one book about what he learned. To me, this just doesn't seem like the profile of a bad guy. (Sorry for going off-topic. Should we start a separate thread for this?)
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