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The Ice and Fire wiki is back, with some changes. Users should now be able to log in, now that I've sorted that out. We've moved the default skin to Vector for the time being, and recommend its use. We will eventually create a Vector variant that will match a color scheme we'd like to use to make it a little more distinctive. We have added a few new extensions. The most notable of these is a WYSIWYG rich text editor that, we hope, will make it easier for users to contribute. It is entirely optional, and can be turned off! We've also added a navigational breadcrumb that will help users travel forward and backward around pages they've visited on the wiki. If you are aware of any obvious, major extensions which should be included, or of current extensions that are broken because they are out of date, please post here and I'll see if I can fix it.

Hrm, that's not impossible. May be time to start a second post, or maybe trim down earlier stuff, and see if helps.

Erk. That's ... odd. ETA: Hrm... I managed editing it without a problem. Could just be my admin status, though. Could you try clearing cache, restarting the browser, and trying again? And if that doesn't work, what browser and version are you using, and are you using the quick edit or the full edit?

Bryan Cogman's most recent post at the Making Game of Thrones site has reminded us that presently, they're just giving the episodes numbers. This may or may not be a temporary placeholder -- no one has clarified that publicly -- but I thought I'd run a poll to see what fans here would be interested in seeing. Feel free to also use this thread to discuss episode titles.

Welcome, DNKing. :) I would avoid looking at any threads about the books until you're done with the series. There's a lot of spoilers.

Yes, I took the hanging as quite contemptuous. As for Starks and hanging... well, I'm pretty sure George never forgot Robb was Ned's son, but Robb had Karstark's accomplices hanged. I think it's a very contextual sort of rule.

Thanks, Brush Guy! It's amazing how these chapters evolve over time. I think that ending sounds a bit stronger, especially as it ties back more directly to the first time we meet Jon.

It's been suggested that there is a difference, not so much as to what happens but how it comes about exactly. Poking someone to provide details. *poke poke*

Roman training marches carried out several times a month were expected to go at a rate of 20 Roman miles at the regulation pace, or 24 Roman miles at the quick pace, but those were one-off and it's not clear how sustainable those were over time. A Roman mile is about 9/10ths of a statute mile, too, and some books on the subject don't make the distinction when discussing marching rates.

Would that be an unladen swallow, or one carrying a coconut? Stubby, given how the Unsullied are the "lock-step legions of Old Ghis come again", probably safe to say that something like the sustained Roman marching rate would be about right under optimal conditions (such as if using one of the old Valyrian straight roads), which comes out to about 16.5 miles a day, day in and day out, give or take. I guess we have to wait until ADwD for how optimal conditions will prove to be.

Welcome to the forum... or, well, welcome to having an account on the forum, since you've been lurking. :)

Last I checked, no decision was yet made. What I've been told is that they tend to make those decisions when a production is further along. For example, McCreary was announced in July as the composer for The Walking Dead, which will debut in October. Of course, the first season is just six episodes. I suspect the Game of Thrones composer is likely to be announced no earlier than November, and perhaps as late as January. McCreary is already handling ... what, three different shows right now? No, four I guess: The Walking Dead, Eureka, The Human Target, and Caprica I'm not sure if he could fit another into his schedule (of course, if Caprica is cancelled after one season, then it's rather moot). GRRM has said they had completed interviews with a select list of composers, so the decision would be drawn from that particular pool. We have no idea who was invited to talk with the production. A common speculation is that we're going to see an HBO veteran selected. HBO seems to like doing that.

Brandon is Leobald's son, not Ser Helman's. Benfred Tallhart was heir until he was killed by Theon and his ironborn, leaving Eddara (Ser Helman's only surviving child) as his heir. I would list Eddara as Lady of Torrhen's Square at this time. There's no clear sign that Mistress is used in that sense in the series.

I'll see about doing a blog post regarding the wiki as well.

As discussed in the other thread, the third option of starting the entry with the status of House Tully "at the start of the series", strikes me as best for this and similar situations. 'At the start of the series, House Tully are the Lords Paramount of the Trident', and then when you get down to the end of ACoK and you note, 'King Joffrey names Petyr Baelish Lord Paramount of the Trident, granting him Harrenhal as his seat," and then for ASoS, 'King Tommen grants the remaining lands and titles to Ser Emmon Frey.' This is both up-to-date, consistent, and prevents people from being spoiled right off the bat. The same could be said for the Starks, as well, the Baratheon status in relation to the Iron Throne, etc. 'At the start of the series' should be a pretty good default. I'm going to add some additional thoughts in the other thread.

PG, Thanks for your contributions. I hope you'll reconsider your participation. The fact is that a community project has to be governed by some sort of consistency rules, and Scafloc started a thread to try and discuss it and settle the question. That said, personally, the most important thing for the wiki is getting content in, first. Consistent style is important, but it doesn't matter if there is no content to be consistent about. If you find it impossible to write content to the exact letter of consistency rules, well, that can be something others who want to contribute can help with. But that's just my opinion on the matter.

I am misremembering about the mother's name bit, I think. Not quite sure where I got that from, unless it's something in my mail archives. Will have to hunt around. Here is a relevant entry, however.

Remember that Walder Rivers has the byname of Bastard Walder. "Bastard Walder's son" means Walder Rivers's presumably-trueborn son. "Bastard Walder's bastard son" would be a bastard son of Bastard Walder Rivers.

No. The son of a bastard can be trueborn, i.e. born within wedlock. Bastard Walder must have a wife. Why isn't she listed? I don't know, but GRRM gave us Aemon's arms, and they're quarted with his father's arms and his mother's normal arms. It seems that people do assume that a person with a bastard name is themselves a bastard, hence the first Longwaters adding the "Long" to distinguish himself as being trueborn. Much like Oldflowers in the reach, one supposes. But it seems that this a choice that a person makes, the same choice, presumably, that led Aegor Rivers and Brynden Rivers to remain Rivers despite being legitimized and having the right to the Targaryen name. For whatever reason, Aemon Rivers and Walda Rivers have stuck to Rivers. Alternatively, I suppose it's possible that since GRRM sent us Ser Aemon's arms, he's changed his mind and they're bastards as well. But I don't really see why he would do so.

In the American AFfC appendix, they are called Bastard Walder's son and daughter, not his bastard son and bastard daughter. According to GRRM, Ser Aemon is in fact trueborn, by a mother from House Charlton. He did indeed once say that trueborn children of bastards might take their mother's family name, but this seems to be optional, and for whatever reason Aemon (and presumably Walda) have not taken the Charlton name. Perhaps because they'd rather be associated with their father, who in turn is notably associated with Lord Walder, than taken for members of a minor Riverlands house.

Same I'd say. The appendix only lists one Watty among the followers, Watty the Miller.

HBO tends to not cancel shows after just one season ... but they have done it, I believe, and they certainly have not made a public commitment to giving it more than one season. So I wouldn't hold my breath that it's absolutely assured a second season. It's quite probable, of course, but ... it all depends on whether it gets subscribers, viewers, and buzz.

More words and phrases would be fun to see, particularly words and phrases that have particular currency in the books: bloodrider, "Blood of my blood", "Moon and stars of my life". I'd also be curious as to discovering as to whether any thought has been given to whether the Dothraki have borrowed any words; namely I'm thinking of "dragon" and whether their word for it is influenced by the High Valyrian (we have a compound, 'dragon fire' -> 'dracarys') But whatever you think would be interesting. I do think one approach you might take would be to also introduce the Dothraki culture as it's in the books in a piecemeal fashion, perhaps breaking it up into sections based on various facets of the Dothraki (e.g. religion, Vaes Dothrak, horses, warfare), to give potential viewers who aren't familiar with the series a sense of the culture and how its language fit together. Maybe breaking it up into sections based on various cultural activities, peppering them with related words, and doling them out over time could be an idea. I'm sure there are those who'd love to know more about the grammar, naturally. If HBO wanted to go a bit viral, the first clip they release could be nothing but Jason Momoa and other actors speaking Dothraki. ;)

A question has come up regarding spoiler notices in the wiki. I had a vague recollection that we've had this discussion in the recent past, but I cannot find it. Anyone have any thoughts or positions to share in regard to the level of spoiler notification we should have in our articles?