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  1. Tadco26

    Daenerys has always been a killer

    By that logic there is also a 50% chance Jon could go bonkers.
  2. Tadco26

    Daenerys has always been a killer

    Why? What had she done to make him think she was going mad that was any different from her behavior when he decided she was the ruler he wanted on the Iron Throne?
  3. Tadco26

    Daenerys has always been a killer

    Lets not act like Dany never showed any mercy to any enemies. Yes some characters are more merciful than others, but that doesn't mean that they never killed enemies with out regrets either.
  4. Tadco26

    Daenerys has always been a killer

    Even though I disagree completely with the way the show set it up, Dany being crazy is the only logical explanation to her burning innocents when that has been the exact opposite of her behavior towards innocents for the first 7 seasons. It's pretty obvious that the show writers want us to believe she went crazy. The entire Varys storyline this season has been focused on fears she is going mad. It's just that Varys really had no reason to think she was any more crazy than when he first joined her. The show writers made Varys insist she was going mad because that's where they want the plot to go, but she had no symptoms of insanity prior to burning King's Landing down to support his fears. Then he turns out to be right, and the writers want us to believe that we all should have seen it coming... I also disagree with the idea that Dany lacks empathy. She kills the masters because of her empathy for the children they killed. She locks up her dragons because of the empathy towards the father who lost his child. She frees the slaves, she doesn't make them her own slaves. Ending slavery is a major priority for her that has nothing to do with her goal of retaking the Iron Throne. She thinks she is helping the witch when she stops her from being raped and spared her life, even though she ends up killing Drogo. She mourns all of her friends deaths. There are plenty of examples of her showing empathy. In comparison, Joffrey, the Mountain, and Ramsay are good examples of characters with no empathy. Not having empathy for her enemies is something she shares with virtually every character in the show.
  5. Tadco26

    Daenerys has always been a killer

    Tywin also didn't flinch when killing his enemies or ordering the rape, pillage and enslavement of the people from the River Lands. But nobody thought he was ready to snap any minute on a bad day. One of Dany's primary motivations since season 1 has been protecting the innocent, freeing the slaves, trying to be a good ruler. She locked her dragons up for months for accidentally killing one child when hunting, but now she is actively trying to kill kids... Only insanity explains flipping 180 from her views and attitudes from the first 7 seasons. It's a story line that could work if it was written better, but doesn't work for me the way it was presented.
  6. Tadco26

    Daenerys has always been a killer

    So do you also consider Tywin to be crazy? He actually had a well established history of killing commoners from season 1. He ordered the Mountain to go rape and pillage and enslave the people in the River Lands. He planned the Red Wedding. He disowned his sons. He slept with his son's whore, while forbidding him from associating with whores. He condemned Tyrion to death. But I haven't seen any arguments that this means he was crazy.
  7. I'm pretty sure Dany's facial expressions were the director's attempt to show she was now "mad queen". They telegraphed that they wanted to go this way with Varys storyline this season, even though Dany hasn't had any symptoms of insanity. Cruel and ruthless to enemies? Sure. So was Tywin, who actively ordered the Mountain to rape, pillage and enslave the commoners in the Riverlands, and planned the Red Wedding, among other ruthless acts. Nobody thought he was going insane though.
  8. Tadco26

    Daenerys has always been a killer

    To her enemies, sure. To innocents? It's a complete 180 from her attitude from season 1 to now where she went out of her way to protect the innocent. She locked up her dragons for months because one of them killed ONE child while hunting for food. She ordered the Dothraki to not rape those she conquered. Her intentions were to save the witch who ended up killing Drogo. She crucified the Masters because of what they did to the slave children. She is ruthless to her enemies, she has made a priority of protecting the weak and innocent. Which potential candidate for the Iron Throne hasn't killed lots of people? Why is Dany killing enemies a clear sign she is going mad, when every leader of every faction has done horrible things to their enemies? The only thing that Dany has done which can be called mad is burning King's Landing. Being cruel and ruthless to enemies is not the same thing as being insane. Or do you think Tywin was also insane?
  9. Tadco26

    The Nights Watch is over right?

    That's the historical origin of the word, but not the only meaning. Definition : 1: to select by lot and kill every tenth man of decimate a regiment 2: to exact a tax of 10 percent from poor as a decimated Cavalier— John Dryden 3a: to reduce drastically especially in number cholera decimated the population Kamieniecki's return comes at a crucial time for a pitching staff that has been decimated by injuries.— Jason Diamos b: to cause great destruction or harm to firebombs decimated the city an industry decimated by recession
  10. I'd argue the show is more full of tropes than ever, and the "surprises" are only surprising because they make little sense in the context of what has been going on. Main characters have been transformed into heroes who are now consistently put in situations where death is the only likely outcome, but they come out unscathed. How many times were Sam and Jaime and Brienne surrounded by wights and we come back and they are fine. Jaime gets run thru twice and then manages just get up and go find Cersei. This happens in action movies all the time, but season 1 getting stabbed would have been a death right then and there. How many times does Arya have to avoid what should be certain death running thru King's Landing? It's not to say that the characters should have died in those spots. It's quite possible to create dangerous situations that aren't so dangerous that death is the only realistic outcome. In the last few seasons the "heroes" fight off dozens of foes and every foe dies with one swing and every hero gives little sense of being in danger at all. Dragons are either worthless or completely unstoppable based on the whims of the plot. None of the most intelligent characters have actually done anything intelligent in several years now. The Iron Fleet destroys Dany's navy, but Dany is still able to easily ferry people back and forth from Dragon Stone. The consequence of losing her navy has no effect on the story. There are plenty of shows and movies where this is expected, and can even be entertaining, but it's a far cry from the more realistic portrayal of danger in earlier seasons. It's not about the show ending character's story arcs in a way that isn't how I wanted things to end. It's about story arcs with minimal logic to support the direction they are taking being forced in. It's about going from a show where it felt like any character could die at any moment if they were put in a life threatening situation, to a show where heroes are put in life threatening situations all the time with no consequences.
  11. There is a lot more evidence to suggest that protecting the innocent is a primary goal than there is to suggest she is going mad prior to randomly burning King's Landing. From season 1 she believes she is saving the witch who kills Khal Drogo. She orders her Dothraki to not rape. Ending slavery is a primary driving goal for her, not just conquering for the sake of conquest. And the risk of the cities she leaves falling back into slavery is a primary factor in not going to Westeros faster than she has. Which potential ruler would be OK with their enemy not bending the knee after being defeated? Killing enemies who refuse to submit is still a long way from killing people who just surrendered. Especially civilians (and her own soldiers who might happen to be caught in the fires). We will have to agree to disagree that it was believable.
  12. I predicted she would go mad too... The Varys story made it obvious that this was the plotline they were set on forcing in. I just didn't expect the execution to be so poor. We have 7 seasons of protecting the innocent being one of her primary drives and one shortened season of her being lonely to justify her now being a mass murderer. There is a big difference between being merciless to your enemies and randomly actively trying to kill innocent civillians. Every past and present leader on the show has done something that could be considered merciless to their enemies including Jon hanging a 10 year old. Which potential ruler would OK with their enemy not bending the knee? Every ruler was ruthless at one point or another to their enemies and those who defied them. Robb killed the Karstarks for murdering Lannister prisoners. Tywin sent the Mountain and other raiding parties to rape and pillage the river lands, and arranged the Red Wedding. Stannis cut off Davos fingers AFTER he saved him from the siege and burned his own daughter. The Tyrells had Joffery poisoned. Littlefinger committed numerous atrocities. Dorne poisoned Myrcella. Robert Baratheon wanted to kill Targaryen children. None of these were considered precursors to madness or mass slaughtering of innocents.
  13. Dany going mad wasn't a surprise in that Varys story line made it obvious they were going to force this plot line in. The show presents us with Varys suggesting that Dany has suddenly inherited her father and brother’s mental illness, with no prior symptoms. What has she done to suggest she is any more "mad" now than when Varys supported her last season? Everything that is being retroactively pointed to as "evidence" happened well before Varys started expressing these concerns. Varys being retroactively correct doesn't mean his suspicions were logical at the time. The show forced the plot line in and didn't really care if they built up to it in any meaningful way. Varys suggests that he knows Dany is going to burn everything down, but why? It was reasonable to expect she might kill some innocents as collateral damage, but not actively trying to kill them. Then Dany easily destroys all of King's Landing's defenses with virtually no civilian casualties, making her advisers' caution against doing this when she first arrived in Westeros and still had 3 dragons and no defending ballistas look even more foolish. If anything Varys betrayal made Dany being paranoid of her terrible advisers more justified than ever. What has Tyrion or Varys done that has actually been intelligent advice? Tyrion created the stupid plan to go capture a wight that almost killed Jon and lost Dany a dragon. Tyrion convinced Dany to trust Cersei. They convinced Dany to split her forces and sail to Dragonstone, "forgetting about" the Iron Fleet. Tyrion and Varys promised they could create support for Dany and crumble Cersei's support among the other lords of the realm and they have not. Tyrion has been a saintly moron since the show ran out of book material. He deserved to be removed from his position several mistakes ago. Remember Dany locked up all of her dragons for months because one of them accidentally killed ONE child while hunting for food. You can't even call what she did blood lust when she stopped burning things for several minutes and just sat there perched on Drogon and then started attacking after the surrender was official. The only purpose of that being to show that she is evil now, nothing grey about this action. It's a story line that could be done in a convincing and satisfying way, but what the show did was not that way.
  14. Surprises are only good if they are earned. Anybody can make up a plot twist that makes no sense and call it "surprising". Not that Dany going mad was really a surprise giving all of Varys heavy handed concerns. It's just that his concerns had no actual evidence at that point to support having them. Being retroactively correct doesn't mean they were well founded at the time. The show forced the plot line in and didn't really care if they built up to it in any meaningful way. The show presents us with Varys suggesting that Dany has suddenly inherited her father and brother’s mental illness, with no prior symptoms. Remember Dany locked up all of her dragons for months because one of them accidentally killed ONE child while hunting for food. You can't even call what she did blood lust when she stopped burning things for several minutes and just sat there perched on Drogon and then started attacking after the surrender was official. The only purpose of that being to show that she is evil now, nothing grey about this action. Being merciless to enemies is hardly comparable to randomly killing innocents. Especially when protecting innocents has been one of her primary concerns since season 1. Every past and present leader on the show from every faction has done something that could be considered merciless to enemies, including Jon hanging a 10 year old. Nobody thinks these were signs they might be going mad.
  15. Tadco26

    Daenerys has always been a killer

    The show presents us with Varys suggesting that Dany has suddenly inherited her father and brother’s mental illness, with no prior symptoms. Remember Dany locked up all of her dragons for months because one of them accidentally killed ONE child while hunting for food. You can't even call what she did blood lust when she stopped burning things for several minutes and just sat there perched on Drogon and then started attacking after the surrender was official. The only purpose of that being to show that she is evil now, nothing grey about this action. Surprises are only good if they are earned. Anybody can make up a plot twist that makes no sense and call it "surprising". Not that Dany going mad was really a surprise giving all of Varys heavy handed concerns. It's just that his concerns had no actual evidence at that point to support having them. Being retroactively correct doesn't mean they were well founded at the time. Being merciless to enemies is hardly comparable to randomly killing innocents. Especially when protecting innocents has been one of her primary concerns since season 1. Every past and present leader on the show from every faction has done something that could be considered merciless to enemies, including Jon hanging a 10 year old. Nobody thinks these were signs they might be going mad.
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