DMC

As Kal just emphasized, one can easily argue this is already the case - and elucidating a distinction between the current status quo and “functionally defeated” is inherently fuzzy.

They aren’t even the same religion. Iranian theocrats think Hamas are a bunch of infidels, and vice versa.

It did. You can trace a line from that result to Clinton’s “triangulation” abandoning meat and potatoes New Deal liberalism. I actually think, win or lose, the Biden presidency’s legacy will be a return to that for the party. Should also be emphasized even with the shift in strategy/aversion to leftists, the Dems still lost 49 states twelve years later.

You know things are going off the rails when Richard Dawkins is deputized into the argument.

McGovern was 72 after Nixon had already conducted most of the bombing campaigns in Laos and Cambodia. The 68 election - which included the infamous protests and unrest in Chicago during the Democratic Convention - was between Nixon and Hubert Humphrey.

Also, “we’re talking gonads” as a random quote will help me get through today.

Telling how specific you insist we talk.

Maybe. Fucking Paul Allen.

Well, Patrick Bateman might be someone you could hang out with. Problem is, he has a better moral compass.

Agreed. I sincerely hope you stop making “category” errors and observe the science instead of hurting people reading this just to make a point that is wrong.

….Uh, this is actually a wildly stupid hill you’ve picked. At least, says science and research… One: Two: Three: When I was young, one of my first gay friends explained to me that he thought of sexuality as a spectrum, not binary. I’ve always appreciated that. And it seems he was reflecting the facts when it comes to our physiology.

I’ve generally stayed out of this cuz whenever you and I argue at least one of us gets in trouble. But seriously? An evening? Are you enjoying tea and pretending to be British? Or are you ensconced in heavy contemplation? Sorry to bother you Buddha.

BTW, gotta be honest, have had my eyes on Ripp for quite some time now. Something about that French socialism is exotic and I think we can build on that to satisfy my needs.

We’ll see.

I prefer when they all randomly start singing in their own storylines. It’s so ridiculous. Man now I wanna watch Magnolia. Fuck you Hamas.

It is very strange when Ripp, Kal, and myself all agree. If Paul Thomas Anderson was directing this, this would be when frogs fall from the sky.

For exactly the unthinking reaction you just expressed. Thanks for demonstrating my point.

Yeah, I don’t think the Bin Laden example supports your point there Brownie. I’m not gonna speak for Kal - gods know he can speak for himself - but the obvious issue is you don’t have to do what Israel is doing in order to fight Hamas. That’s the problem. And it’s really annoying when people pose this as a binary dilemma. It Is Not. Stop. Regroup. And try to think instead of reacting like Dubya and Cheney because that fucked up a generation. And this may well too unless cooler heads prevail.

Well, this just means we are not the greatest democracy in the world. And that’s very apparent for a host of reasons — including the idiotic and malapportioned electoral college. But that doesn’t mean a plurality electoral system is fascist. That’s an absurd statement. Fascists don’t bother with legitimate electoral systems. Indeed, that’s precisely what we’re trying to prevent! Because one of these guys demonstrably DGAF about elections.

Uh, I generally prefer PR systems, but no. Single member plurality systems are not fascism. At all. That’s a very..uneducated opinion. And pretty offensive to those that have had to endure actual fascism.

Nope, it’s a plurality electoral system. Deal with it.

No. How dare you!!!

You continue to ignore the fact the Hamas leadership is not in Gaza.

Yeah, I apologize for the language. It just pisses me off that there are those that are willing to ignore the consequences in order to “send a message” to Biden.

Just as an observer, this isn’t necessarily true. At least in studying American public opinion. First of all, those people - which you’re right there are many - will die off. Second, probably the greatest shift in public opinion this century was SSM. Being against it helped Dubya get reelected. A decade later, no politician wanted to explicitly express opposition. Normalization can be a rapid process. Or, ya know, not. Just saying it depends.