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6 hours ago, Jabar of House Titan said:

That is not autocratic. What is it is called rule of law. Every single last communal organization of humans that exists or has ever existed -- from prehistoric family units to modern nation-states -- has had a "do as I say or face the consequences" clause in their code of conduct.

Every single last one of them.

If you find rule of law and the law's ability to punish those who trepass said rule of law autocratic, then you're probably an anarchist who wants everyone to be free to do as they feel more or less.

She is not just putting her ambitions ahead of "what is right." She is also putting the greater good and peace ahead of it. She is also prioritizing the love they have for each other over it.

Frankly, Daenerys is walking in Ned Stark's footsteps.

Should Ned Stark have told Robert Baratheon, Jon Arryn and/or Tywin Lannister about Jon? Should he have told Catelyn?

Daenerys Targaryen? A coward? LMAO never mind, I'll stop right there. There's no use in talking about the beauty of the Mona Lisa with person who is blind and deaf.

Rule of Law? Whose law?

Daenerys has less of a claim than Jon, if we are going by law. 

The fact that Ned lied about Jon is not a moral basis for the lie Daenerys wants to perpetrate. 

Jon is making a choice between love and power. Chooses Love, giving up his better claim to the throne.

Daenerys is also making a choice between love and power. She chooses power. And that choice in her mind justifies John giving up his better claim, the self acknowledged fact that people in Westeros (her future subjects) love him better, the perpetration of a lie (that Jon has a better claim), and that to "liberate" the people of Westeros she will have to burn them all. Killing masses of people for a higher aim is no virtue (Oh but Daenerys wants to "liberate" the people!) reminds me of the Cambodian genocidal regime that killed millions to create an agrarian socialist paradise. 

8 minutes ago, Clan O'Raghallaigh said:

So, does Gendry now have a better claim to the iron throne over both Jon and Dany?

Robert Baratheon himself won it by war. The Targaryens won it by war.

All these discussions about who’s got a better claim are adjudicated in the book as in real life by wars or assasinations.

As to wether which one has a better claim, Jon or Dany- same rules apply. Except that Jon is willing to bend the knee, Dany not so much. I really don’t get the “she deserves it, she’s a strong woman” argument. She chooses power over love, Jon chooses love over power. She chooses hiding the truth, he chooses disclosing the truth. She knows the people are more drawn to him, but no matter because, you know, she REALLY wants the throne. So Jon, if you really love me, give up the throne, bend the knee and lie for me.

And so I move on to the “mad queen argument”. I have been rewatching the series from the beginning and you can see her tendency to destroy those who cross her from season 2. She burns the magi, she locks one of her maidens with Hotharis in a vault, but we root for her because she is the underdog, and those people had it coming. But then she starts burning her enemies, always “bad guys” until the Tarlys. These were honorable men. But they would not bend the knee. She REALLY hates it when people don’t bend the knee from way back.

As the crowning moment of irony in this episode, she is quite willing to liberate King’s Landing folk by carbonizing them. Those of you who know history will remember the Vietnam era’s famous joke- we had to burn the village to save it. 

She is not “going mad”, she has since season 2 been willing to torch those who will not bend the knee