DanaKz

Do we know for sure, if Robert, Stannis and Renly were ever knighted? 

Guys, I am not native English speaker, need your help. 

This sentence in TWOIAF:

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 The victory sealed the entry of the riverlands into the conflict, following the marriage of Lord Tully's daughters to Lords Arryn and Stark.

So, does it mean Battle of Bells happened adter the wedding? because currenlty wiki says it happened before the wedding.

7 minutes ago, BalerionTheCat said:

The IT was destroyed. And the 7K now 6. But I was expecting everything made by Aegon erased. King Landing, destroyed and the kingdoms returned to their former self.

Yeah, probably.

But you know why I noticed this part?

There was a theory about Gods punishing all those scoundrels who wronged Targaryens: Jon Arryn was first to rebel - he died first, Robert died after him, Ned was next, then Hoster Tully, Tywin the last. They betrayed Aerys the Saint (yep, there are people who think Aerys was absolutely right in everything) and they were punished by gods, and all their Houses will be destroyed as well (and in the books they all are on the brink of destruction).

Well, TV-series gods definitely play for other team. Only those Houses who didn't support Bobby B are destroyed. Tough titties

Disclaimer - I am kidding. I don't believe any of those things

Something interesting I just noticed: three Great Houses were obliterated by the show. Targaryens, Tyrells and Martells. Well, we don't know new Dornish Prince's name but I suspect he is not Martell, it would be said so if he was.

Tyrells and Martells were only Great Houses who openly sided with Targaryens during Robert's Rebellion.

Well, probably it will mean there will be more than 2 books. 

I mean, we need to see:

1.  Dany getting Essos to order
2. Stannis reaching Winterfell
3. Winterfell Battle
4. Stannis going back to the Wall
5. Stannis burning Shireen
6. Jon's resurrection
7. Jon going back to Winterfell
8. Boltons dying
9. Euron doing whatever shit he planned
10. Aegon doing whatever shit he planned
11. Dornish girls doing whatever shit Doran planned
12. Sansa doing whatever shit Petyr planned
13. Shit happens to Margaery and Tyrells
14. Arya getting bakc to Westeros
15. Deny getting back to Westeros
16. Somebody deal with Freys
17. Somebody deals with Cersei
18. Somebody deals with Others
19. Bran coming back from the cave
20. Bran becoming a king
21. Everybody gets some conclusion

There are more action than it happened in 5 books before. I mean, Stannis was crawling to Winterfell for 1.5 books already. Given current pace GRRM will need 10 new books to finalize all this shit

Ok... So, Baela and Raena are Prince Daemon's daughters and they are called "ladies".

Prince Daemon is king's younger brother. So, does it mean king's younger brother's children are not princes and princesses?

Viserys is Aegon III's younger brother. But his second son Aemon is called "new prince" (though Aemon and Aegon are never called "prince Aegon or prince Aemon in the book").

So, let's speculate:  when kids are current king's grandchildren via sons they are princes no matter what (Baelon's sons, Maekar's sons during Hedge Knight) but if kids are born when they are king's nephews and nieces, they are lords and ladies?

I looked into British system thru Wikipedia:

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Prior to 1714, the title of prince and the style of HRH was not customary in usage. Sons and daughters of the sovereign were not automatically or traditionally called a prince or princess. An exception was the Prince of Wales, a title conferred on the eldest son of the sovereign since the reign of Edward I of England. In the Kingdom of Scotland, even though an honorific principality was created by James I, the heir-apparent was only referred to as Duke of Rothesay. Some others include John, brother of Richard the Lionheart and later King John, who is sometimes called Prince John.

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After the accession of George I (the first monarch from the House of Hanover), it became customary for the sons of the sovereign and grandsons of the sovereign in the male line to be titled 'Prince' and styled His Royal Highness (abbreviated HRH). Great-grandsons of the sovereign were princes styled His Highness (abbreviated HH).

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Later that year, letters patent altered the rights to the title prince and the style Royal Highness. These letters patent, dated 30 November 1917, stated that "the children of any Sovereign of these Realms and the children of the sons of any such Sovereign (as per the above Letters Patent of 1864) and the eldest living son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales (a modification of the Letters Patent of 1898) shall have and at all times hold and enjoy the style, title or attribute of Royal Highness with their titular dignity of Prince or Princess prefixed to their respective Christian names or with their other titles of honour". It was also decreed in these letters that "grandchildren of the sons of any such Sovereign in the direct male line ... shall have and enjoy in all occasions the style and title enjoyed by the children of Dukes of these Our Realms" (i.e., Lord or Lady before their Christian name).^[

So, I suppose Westeros is using George I's system.