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  1. PrinceoftheTides

    How powerful are the Royces?

    I agree with Bernie, House Bolton seems the only one that actually mananged to challenge the Stark in the past, similarly to how House Reyne acted in the Westerlands. The Manderlys are indeed richer and commands more horsemen, but, in my opinion, Boltons still are among the strongest northern houses. Bear in mind that Ramsay could bring at the Battle of Winterfell 600 Dreadfort men, the same number Ser Rodrick gathered with Winterfell garrison and nearby fortresses. And this while they were still fighiting in the Hornwood. Also, to come up with a plan to try to usurp your liege station you actually have to be already in a certain position, I mean having leverage or some assets to play your way out if your plan fail. The fact that house Bolton, or most of the northern houses are not quoted in F&B or Princess and the Queen and Rogue Prince I think is more related to the focus on King's Landing's perspective the stories have. House Dustin and Manderly are indeed relevant, but also the closest to the south and more likely to have contacts or being or some relevance in fighting (as we saw in the Dance).
  2. Uhm difficult to say.. I would probably chose to be at the Crag before its fall, to tell Robb to keep himself out of the battle and his pants on (because actually the Freys betrayal was a consequence of Robb's behaviour)
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    Wyman Manderly warships

    Actually, as we saw in Brandon's POVs, the ships were built just for defending the coastline from the wildlings, they were not originally planned as a defence against the royal fleet so I imagine they are more likely to be comparable to the ironborn longboats than to the major warhips with more decks that the major seapowers use. Probably Manderly went over the original commitments and created bigger ships, but still I don't think they are at the same level of Cersei's dromonds (for instance). Actually in Davos arriving at White Harbour POV, I think a comparison was made between some royal ships Lionstar and the galleys that were in the harbour. However, since the ships are there, it is quite sure that they will have a role in the future, according to the Checov's gun theory (:-D) For the rest I know that logical considerations are not really realiable here, since the author's will reign supreme in fiction (if GRRM wants a fleet out of nothing and in no time, it could spawn and would), but technically shipyards capabilities determine the size of the ships, especially bigger ones, and it is unlikely that White Harbour, that does not host a military fleet for centuries had mantained a costly infrastructure with no pratical use. We can also consider that the knowledge to built ships may differ from model to model, so technically it would be again strange that people that only build fishing vessels and (maybe) smaller patrol boats could in the next day start building major warships.
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    Who Hatched the Last Dragon?

    Actually I do not think that generally the nobles houses were bothered at all by Aerys behaviour. His 'amusements' were confined to the Red Keep and prisoners, but no concern at all for the general picture. Also we didn't have description of a kingdom (or even the capital) becoming increasingly poor or destroyed by his madness, a thing that we got for the rule of Maegor and Rhaenyra (and possibly also Baelor and Aevon IV). The very same fact that Brandon went to the king to accuse Rhaegar demonstrate that the king was still considered somehow reliable by the lords in my opinion and we have to consider that this is AFTER he showed himself at the Harrenal tourney with all his paranoia and unfit appearance (basically his condition/madness was well known). It has to be pointed out that even in the rebelling regions (Stormlands, Riverlands, Vale) there were Targaryen loyalists such as Connington, Cafferen, Fell, Grandison, Grafton, Ryger, Darry, Goodbrok and Mooton. For the rest I agree with the considerations about rhaegar
  5. PrinceoftheTides

    How powerful are the Royces?

    I agree that the Royces are, by far, the most powerful house in the Vale after the Arryn. Also the lord declarants are estimated to be able to call up to twenty thousand men (according to Littlefinger), considering the situazion of the other houses participating (for example the Waynwoods have problems with debts), it is likely that they contribute with 5-6000 men. In my opinion the strongest houses (besides the overlords) are: North: Bolton and Manderly Iron Islands: Harlaw by far Vale: Royce Westerlands, none, house Reyne used to be the most powerful vassals, but after their destruction it seems that all the other major houses are more or less the same (and none could seriously represent a challenge for the Lannisters) Riverlands: Frey, Blackwood, Vance (actually it was stated in F&B that the Tullys were not the most powerful house in the Trident, so probably those houses are more powerful than their overlords) Reach: Hightower, then (at distance) Florent Stormlands: Swann Crownlands: Velaryon by far Dorne: Yronwood by far
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    House Velaryon MIA.

    I agree, the fact that out of the 9 bigger and more dangerous ships in Stannis fleet 4 are provided from House Velaryon (Pride of Driftmark, SeaHorse, Harridan and Bold Laugher)* mean their contribution was indeed relevant, since they are likely to have provided many other ships. In comparison Bar Emmon and Celtigar provided only one major ship and Sunglass and Seaworth's 3 ships were smaller (they were not listed in the 9 most powerful ships in Stannis fleet by Davos) Since they are the most powerful of the Narrow Sea vassals, and given the ratio we are given in the capital ships, it is likely that more than half of the Narrow Sea lords contribution to Stannis cause were Velaryons *the other five major capital ships were three of the royal fleet, Fury, Lord Steffon and Stag of the Sea, the Red Claw of house Celtigar and the Swordfish of House Bar Emmon
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    Wyman Manderly warships

    Knowing Martin half of them will be destroyed or shattered in their way to Skagos and back to retrieve Rickon. They could end up rescuing the wildlings or fighting the dead things in the water, but it is more probably that they would serve as an asset to evacuate to the south the armies fleeing the advance of the Others after the fall of the wall. I think in total Manderly has around 35-40 ships at the maximum, and they does not seem to be really big warships (otherwise we have also had the description of ships of particular size and power, usually by the number of decks or the total oars). Manderly also pointed out to Davos that his sailiors are mostly fishermen and riverfolk, not real sailors. It is thus unlikely that this fleet could emerge victorious in a battle against the other naval forces currently active in Westeros. Of these the smaller two (Saan's and Aurane Waters) are the one more 'in range' but still we are speaking of the Stepstones, in the far south. We do not have data about the seapower of the Vale, which is indeed closer, although it si likely that houses of the Sister have some ships and house Grafton had a decent fleet- Here I take the comparison that house Mallister, which does not control a major port city, possess two war galleys and half a dozen longships. The ironborn fleets and the redwyne fleet are (or are directed to) the Sunset Sea southern half of the Sunset Sea, again quite far from Manderly. However both of them are by far more powerful and experienced than the Manderly one. Even if the Redwyne fleet is, in my opinion, largely overestimated in size (like the men Dorne could field, a fleet of 1200 ships is clearly an hoax.. Just like Cersei told Margaery when she reported the 'thousand ships of the ironborn attacking the Shields).
  8. PrinceoftheTides

    Who Hatched the Last Dragon?

    I don't think Viserys was an impostor, King Aegon and the rest of the court recognized him at once (at least as far as it is written in F&B) when Alyn Velaryon brought him back. The book also provide a detailed history for his period in captivity, and all the passage of property he was subject to being a prisoner. That would be unlikely to be known in case of an impostor, since all the passages in property could easily backtracked imho. Actually the habit of Targayen to use the same names create some confusion for the non-kings (since they do not have the number). Morning was the dragon bonded with Rhaena, daughter of Daemon (brother of Viserys I, the one that rode Caraxes) and Laena Velaryon, twin sister to Baela (that rode Moondancer and later married Alyn Velaryon, ancestor to the current Velaryons, incuding Aurane Waters). She was actually the half-aunt of Rhaena, Elaena and Daena in the Maidenvalut ;-) About point 5) I don't think there is any connection to pyromancy and dragon eggs hatching. To be honest the pyromancers are totally absent from F&B and does not seem to even exists at the time of the Dance of the Dragons, since, in case of its existence, it would be extremely strange that none of the factions made even a single thought about using wildfire in the civil war (not even as a defence or deterrent). This last observation could lead to some interesting theory. If the pyromancers didn't exists prior to the dance but apperead afterwards (as it seems) could it be that their 'order' are related to the disapperance of the dragons and their inability to hatch new ones? Maybe they are born as some branch of maesters involved in the conspiracy. That point is however contradicted by what Hallyne said in Clash of Kings about the pyromancer's abilities being stronger when the dragons were alive, but again in all the books and stories we got so far before ASOIAF there is not a single reference to the pyromancer's guild existence. This actually reminds me of the Dragonlance books, in which dragons eggs are used to create corrupted versions of dragons to be used as soldiers
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    Who Hatched the Last Dragon?

    Grey Ghost was killed by Sunfyre during the Dance (although the Cannibal got the public blame). Yes, the Cannibal was (probably) still around at the end of F&B, but according the what we know about him, it was more likely he would eat the malformed dragon rather than mate with it :-) Nettle and Sheepstealer were in the Mountains of the Vale, but since it was stated that it was not heard about anymore, we could probably rule it out as well. More important, if I remember correctly, the description of the dragon's skulls we had by Tyrion (or Eddard) POV in the books reported at least more than one malformed skull, so it is likely that more malformed dragons hatched (unless Martin decide to contradict that passage from GoT in the next F&B book)
  10. PrinceoftheTides

    Who Hatched the Last Dragon?

    Yes, that was explicitly stated by Martin. Targaryen, Velaryon, Celtigar, Baratheon and the exinct Qoherys are all houses of Valyrian descent that ended up in Westeros, but only the Targaryen were dragonlords. The others were probably vassals and allied families, among which the Velaryon stood as the most powerful
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    Who Hatched the Last Dragon?

    Her fate is still unknown, but yes, she is the last healthy dragon seen so far. As I said she probably had suffered some 'accident' because normally dragons lived much longer than humans. At the end of F&B, in 136 AC she is still alive and healthy, and the death of the last dragon (a green, malformed one born on dragonstone after the end of F&B) is in 153 AC. Since both are described as females and the last one produced five eggs, at least another male dragon has to be hatched during this period.
  12. PrinceoftheTides

    Who Hatched the Last Dragon?

    Not sure about the requirement of a female targaryen.. Vermax, Arrax and Tyraxes hatched in the craddles of the three sons of Rhaenyra
  13. PrinceoftheTides

    Who Hatched the Last Dragon?

    Addam yes, he bonded with Seasmoke, previously the dragon of Laenor. However bonding with a dragon could also take into account a sort of 'preference' of the dragon, in a sort of mutual choosing. The Rogue Prince novel says something similar about the dangers of approaching Vhagar when describing Aemond bondage with her. Addam, not having Targaryen blood (he was fathered probably by Corlys and not Laenor), is the only mentioned not-targaryen velaryon to bond with a dragon. Unless Alyssa Velaryon (wife of Aenys) had one, but I don't think it was the case. It seems that Velaryons, as a Valyian house, could easily been dragonriders, but however, prior to the Dance and the quest for Dragonseed, it seems that only those related directly with the Targaryen family could have that privilege (a royal decree was indeed necessary in order to be presented to a dragon egg or to try to bond a dragon)
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    Who Hatched the Last Dragon?

    Not really, he didn't allow Rhaena to bring Morning on the Red Keep even after Viserys returned (although the vulnerability of the Dragonpit was demonstred during the dance) I think Viserys egg never hatched, but don't remember if, when back to king landing he brought it back or if it was stolen/sold during his imprisonment in Lys
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    Who Hatched the Last Dragon?

    Viserys for some time during the regency was considered dead. The only possible dragonriders were Aegon and Baela, whose dragons died during the Dance, and Rhaena with Morning. Alyn tried to bond with Sheepstealer during the quest for dragonseed and failed, so it is unlikely we would (or could) try again
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