Lyanna<3Rhaegar

I think this may have been meant for me? Thank you very much.

You're forgetting his volumptuous lips.

haha yes! Thankfully it wasn't too long of a post lol Thank you, it is very hard but what can ya do? I am doing ok much better than I thought I would, it was kidney cancer & he was only 45 years old so very tragic but one thing cancer gives you is the time to say anything you need to. I took advantage of that & while I miss him terribly, I have no regrets. yes! Yeah, Mel doesn't think through things very well. I don't think there is a "Great Other" either. At least I hope not. But either way you can bet she is misinterpretting what she sees. Looking for AA & all she sees is Snow.... Yeah, this is where I was at. I thought there was some hinting to it but no confirmation until that. That's my story anyway & I'm sticking to it. Haha! Agreed! I won't be partaking in any of Mel's fires, regardless how cold I get. yep.

Let's try this again! Ahh the good ole days. Used to be the same 'round my household. My memory was actually pretty good then lol My husband of 21 years passed away last January. We all miss him very much. Stress & life & age & here I am, crossing my legs too when I laugh too hard so I don't pee my pants but thankful I'm laughing all the same Ohh I forgot all about her saying that about avoiding dreams. The Great Other, Blood raven, soon to be Bran? This series has so much to analyze & re-analyze it's almost maddening. With Stannis gone her bed saw little use? Were they sleeping together on the regular then? Maybe we already knew that? I thought, for some reason, that the he just did the one time for the one time to make the shadow baby? Goodness, I suppose I need to reread the series. It is me or is Mel pretty convincing here? LOL! Probably because it's cold here right now & I hate the cold, so bathing in anything warm sounds appealing to me. I enjoyed it but good call. You never know where they are going to take it. One thing that helps me is that I'm not as familiar with the going-ons of the Targ's pre-Baratheon dynasty so I can't nitpick it too much. "The Wandering Adventures of Jon Sno & FakeTormund Beyond the Wall" Agreed, I'll not be watching that or anything D&D ever put their name on again LOL

Right, Kbf has set me straight since I posted that. My contention was with the dreams not the prophetic ability but Jojen literally calls his green dreams so I was just being forgetful

@Kissed By Fire it's not letting me post right. I had a whole reply & posted early by accident. I'll try to redo it after a bit

I enjoyed it but good call. You never know where they will go. Agreed about Jon, Tormund & all the rest!

Haha no worries, me too My brain is FRIED anymore lol. Just talking with a co-worker & she said "Do you remember..." & we both started laughing because we both know good & well I don't remember unless I write it down lol Absolutely. Idk why I was thinking it wasn't a dream but clearly it is else it wouldn't be called a green dream. Yeah, definitely prophetic I was just thinking they didn't have dreams. I don't recall Mel having one but I totally could be wrong & for some reason didn't think GoHH's prophetic abilites came in a dream, but clearly I'm not remembering things very well! Ahh! Yes. Well I'm just wrong. LOL ikr! How miserable! LOL We definitely need some more text. Did you watch HotD? If so, what did you think? I enjoyed it much more than the abomination myself.

haha! I am forever messing up my words. But yeah, I would say prophecy is a form of magic Goodness, apparently I'm having a rough day. That was supposed to say his daughter. But yes, definitely agree. I don't think so either but the poster I was replying to had a convo with someone else irt Martin being destructive. The person I was talking to said "his story is partially about deluded people thinking they are meant to save the world... not about deluded people who think they are meant to save the world actually doing so." So I was kind of disagreeing with that. Saying I think there are people who will save the world, they aren't delusional. Oh I agree. He likes the shock factor as well, I assume. Brilliant series really. They are definitely prophetic - Jojen & the Ghost of high heart for sure. Mel I guess I didn't consider because she never seems to know how to interpret her ability. But do any of them have prophetic dreams? I don't think Bran & Jon's are prophetic, though I imagine Bran will have some prophetic ability if he doesn't now, but they seem more to be seeing the present through their wolves eyes right? Not to say that isn't magical. Jaime had a prophetic dream potentially but I don't know we can say for sure since it hasn't panned out. Jojen & HH don't have dreams do they? For sure. I agree. We have some history & we aren't really tossing a coin with Targ's according to that. There were plenty more that aren't noted to be mad than that are. Oh my I know. It's all up in there air.

Yeah for sure. Plus he was raised better. There are pros & cons for each, i think.

Also, Jon has some of the same genetics as Dany so I'm not sure.

But how do we know? I agree that's how it works irl but not necessarily in universe. The full Targ's, born of incest, seem less likely to go crazy than the ones that are half-Targ.

Right, you know whats so frustrating to me? That we don't know why Rhaegar thought he or his children would save the world. Where did he find this info? What made him believe it so? By all accounts he was sane, fairly normal person. Something convinced him that this information took precedence & priority over all esle. At any rate prophecy is a sword with no hilt right? Who knows why Rhaegar thought it would be him or his child but he may not be wrong still. It still could be his child that was meant to save the world. Maybe his child & his niece? It's all convoluted but I'm saving judgement on Rhaegar until we hear all the info. Someone has to save the world though & I think regardless of Georges tendency toward destruction he won't end the series with the world being overran with Others. He said some people will survive the series, IIRC, so someone, deluded or not, thinks they are meant to save the world & they probably are & will, if you asked me. Who all has prophetic dreams? I can't think of any non-Targ's to have them. I'd bet the Valyrians had them too though. I don't know how accurate it is, I assume it is but I didn't look it up, but there is a post above that lays out which Targ's have went insane & it seemed to indicate a half-Targ is more likely to go insane than a full Targ but genetics, heredity, etc are all screwy in universe so who knows what the real chances are. I agree though, Dany's father was mad, Dany was born of incest (though I don't know if that makes her more likely to be insane in universe) irl of course problems arise from incest but Targ's are different. I wonder if when a Targ baby is born deformed, looking like a dragon or reptile, that's the in universe equivalent of birth defects spawned from incest? Like you said, Jon's father was much more stable whether we are talking about Rhaegar, presumably his birth father, or Ned who raised him. Contrast that with Dany who was raised by Viserys mostly & I'd say that would be enough to tip the scales toward Dany being more likely to go insane, but who knows where George will go with it.

Things flipflop all the time. I haven't been combing through the forums enough lately to know where the hate threads are coming from right now but Jon & Dany both have been the subject of many of them. Might be Stark fans making Dany hate threads right now, soon it'll be Dany fans making Stark hate threads & on & on we go.

Not sure what this means but I put a laugh emoji on your post because I just read your signature! LOL

I agree though I'm not sure Viserys was really mad. Definitely showed some signs though. I think everything has just been discussed so thoroughly that people get bored & start saying things just to get a reaction, but yeah, that's the beauty of the books right? That we can hate Theon so much for betraying the Starks all while understanding why he betrayed the Starks & then feel nothing but pity for him because of the hell he has went through, says much about George's writing, IMO.

Haha really?! Got a link to any good threads on that? It's been my own silly head canon for years.

I haven't read all the responses, just replying to the OP. I disagree about Arya. The rest of it, you might be on to something. I mean it makes sense right? I'm hopeful neither go mad but I see where you're coming from with this. Nice post. What do you make of the mad king himself being born of two Targ parents though? Could his mother have not been a Targ somehow? Hmm.

Right?! I just don't understand.

You're not serious. Hopeless in math, huh? She didn't see the consequences of her going to Cersei with her dad's plans because he didn't let her in on them. She hadn't the slightest why he was taking them back to Winterfell. This is just silly.

Haha! I do know that!

I'm not sure why we care if she is out in time to reproduce? I wouldn't agree to one year in confinement after hearing the details of her crimes, unless it was a mental rehabilitation facility. I'm still confused though, if we are adding 20 years to her age how is she only 10 years in confinement?

Yes, how stupid of this little girl who has been abused, traumatized, & mentally manipulated to no end for not being "smart" enough to play the game with the master players. Seriously, give constructive criticism of the character but why do people insist on saying things like this when they clearly aren't true. What has Sansa done to prove her self so "stupid" and "selfish"?

She certainly may, but I hope not.