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  1. Ice Queen

    The Plutionian Others

    Actually the black oil first appeared in Season 3, not 4. My bad. Tunguska was Season 4. That's the one where the meteorite was discovered that might have traces of alien bacteria and Mulder and Krycheck get thrown into the gulag. Interestingly, AH84001 was discovered the same year, 1996.
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    I was actually thinking silicon when I wrote that. Silicon is the #2 most abundant element on Earth after oxygen. #3 is aluminum.
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    X Files episode? The entire series from season 4 on revolves around the black oil (AKA Purity and black cancer) and the Colonists, who were here since the beginning of human evolution. They had to leave the planet during the ice age because their viral form couldn't handle the cold. They left behind the black oil as first seen in Piper Maru. There's also The Blob. Anyone seen that?
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    Bran: a rightful heir?

    It would still be House Baratheon. She might identify as a Lannister, but for all intents and purposes as Robert's wife she's a Baratheon. Robert's line is the legal one, not the Targaryens. That's where she derives her power from, although she was only allowed to become queen because there was no one who was up to the task of challenging her for it. And that leads us back to Gendry.
  5. I understand it. I'm just tired of arguing with people who have no concept of primogeniture or what a good ruler it. I can't help it if people insist on defending Dany's rights because they're in love with a fictional character to the point of mindless devotion. It sounds just like the political situation here in the US, and some of you really need to take a step back and do some self-reflection. The signs of Dany being a violent conqueror and autocrat rather than a just ruler have been there all along. Some people just refuse to see it. Ah, that dangerous game of whataboutism. The Council of 101 AC set the precedent that a woman cannot inherit the throne, nor a male descendant of a woman, unless there are no other males. And even then it's a problem. And there are other males--Jon in the show, Aegon in the books, who as the eldest child of the crown prince has the best claim of all. She has no legal right to anything. And it's all moot anyway. The throne no longer descends from Aerys. It descends from Robert. He was the legally crowned king of the Seven Kingdoms, and Viserys and Dany had no further rightful or legal claim to the throne. She may well be a descendant of Aegon V, but she is a woman. The line of succession (based on Joffrey's and Tommen's illegitimacy) is Stannis, Renly, Shireen. And that's all there is to it.
  6. And the person who loses it forfeits it, and his offspring have no god given right to it.
  7. No, she's a usurper and violent conqueror. And in the show she was dumb enough to legitimize Gendry, making HIM the rightful heir over even Jon as the now-legitimized son of the lawful ruler. That would be Robert. So, not only would she constantly have to worry about Jon, she'd have to worry about Gendry and his sons. Dany is no one's heir and she has no right to anything. Why do you think she was never part of Varys' plans in the books? He had Aegon and Viserys. He had no need of her.
  8. She is not next in line. The line now descends from Robert (himself a male descendant of Aegon V). That's why he was the candidate for the throne--not Jon Arryn and not Ned. As I've said before, if Aerys and his whole family had died in a plane crash, Robert was next in line. With Joffrey and Tommen illegitimate, that made Stannis the rightful king after Robert's death. Daenerys is nothing but a usurper. She has no right to anything.
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    The Plutionian Others

    About paralleling characters. Ice and fire are mirror images of each other, not opposites. There should be an ice parallel to Mel. Where is she? Is it Val? Dalla? Someone we haven't seen yet? The Night Queen could have been an ice priestess for all we know.
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    I remember that movie--it was called Phase IV. I'm too tired right now to give the rest of your post justice.
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    Well damn, you beat me by like 30 seconds!
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    The Plutionian Others

    A couple of random things occur to me, neither of which is probably relevant. 1) The story of the NK and his chase of his queen reminds me of the story of Rhiannon and Pwyll. The thing about the Celtic Otherworld is that one minute you're in this world and in the next you're not. Martin likened the Others to the sidhe. I don't think that's accidental. 2) The story goes that when the NK gave her his seed, he gave her his soul as well, and they produced half human, half Other offspring. That's exactly what Stannis did with Mel to produce shadow babies. Each time he did it he looked worse and worse. Think Voldemort--every time he tore his soul he became less and less human. The concept of an external or torn soul is very common worldwide, from Irish myth to aboriginal. Another book recommendation: Fraser's The Golden Bough. From Tolkien to Rowling to Martin, it's a very old, very common motif.
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    I haven't studied the books the way you guys have. I need to think about this before I wade into that. Not necessarily. Earth probably got some of its water that way, but the balance sheet comes up far short. We probably got a lot from the solar nebula. The Sun itself formed out of the remnants of a supernova explosion. Essentially, any source of hydrogen could have supplied Earth's water. And that begs the question. Where did the asteroids and comets get their water?
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    I know this is fun and everything, but does anyone honestly think Martin does biochemistry on the side? My personal tinfoil belief is that Martin got the idea for the weirwoods from Pando in Utah. I think the weirwoods are a single living organism with Bloodraven's tree being the Tree of Life, and all the other weirwoods are daughter trees.
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    There has been some very interesting research in this area. Some years ago, NYU researchers were interested in studying self-organizing collective behavior. What they did was take a cube of hematite (iron and oxygen with a polymer coating). Now, hematite is an electrical conductor when hit with UV, which is why researchers are so interested in it for electronics. But when they bathed it in hydrogen peroxide, something interesting happened. The particles formed crystals that metabolized and moved together like a flock of birds in sync with each other. The process stopped only when they turned the lights out. Life (under current definitions) has a few defining features: Metabolism Mobility Growth Homeostasis Adaptation Reproduction These crystals weren't alive, but they weren't that far from it. They couldn't reproduce, but they did a heck of a job reproducing some features of living systems.
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    I haven't read that yet, but I would have to say that inorganic life (that is, life that does not use carbon) is possible, not just on exoplanets but possibly right here on Earth. There are seemingly inert forms that do a number of very lifelike things, like some crystals.
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    Wait, you've lost me. I wasn't following the original conversation this thread is referring to. Hemocyanin? Are you talking about the ice spiders or the Others? Hemocyanin pertains to mollusks and other invertebrates, although you would be correct in saying that mollusks and arthropods living in cold climates evolved to use it more efficiently for O2 transport than those in warmer temperatures. I've always leaned towards an impact theory for Planetos as well, one that impacted the second moon. There is that throwaway line in the first book where Dorea (?) tells Daenerys about the birth of the dragons and how there used to be two moons in the sky. It cracked open and the dragons were born. There is also a persistent hypothesis with no clear evidence either way that an impact at the end of the Ice Age (c. 12,000 years ago) hit in the Arctic and sent Earth into the Younger Dryas. If you haven't read Firestone et. al.'s Rain of Iron and Ice, do. I thought they were bonkers when I first read it (they get into what was at the time some highly speculative stuff with gamma ray bursts and such) but I read it again not too long ago and it sounds much more plausible now. There seems to be some agreement lately that there was an impact--the disagreement is about what kind of impact. I'm unfamiliar with the impact that supposedly hit Antarctica and plunged the Earth into the last ice age. I've always suspected that the greenseers and other magicians might even have had something do with it. The quest for immortality is a huge theme in fantasy literature and mythology. I think they were messing with something they didn't really understand and it went terribly wrong. From the show, there is that White Walker symbol. Pinwheel shapes like that were indicative of comets in ancient times. The black oily stuff mentioned in the World Book is very Velikovskian. He mentions naphtha, which is a hydrocarbon. That sounds very similar. According to Velikovsky, Venus was a comet that had a brush with Earth and sent hydrocarbons pouring all over the planet where it was recorded in the Book of Exodus. As yet, they haven't found proteins in meteorites (to my knowledge). Just amino acids. While those are the building blocks of proteins, we know know that organics are ubiquitous in the universe. Wake me up when they find intact proteins.
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    Heresy 222 vindication

    Ned is 35 at the start of Game of Thrones.
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    Love this. I see what you're getting at symbolically, but nothing ever hits absolute zero per the 3rd law of thermodynamics. There is always a little residual heat left over. Because of that, I find it hard to envision that the air around Waymar could cool so fast it shatters his blade. Even in liquid nitrogen, things take a minute to freeze. My very first organic chemistry experiment in college was to freeze a banana in LN. It took 5 minutes. Edit: In the film The Day After Tomorrow the planet essentially freezes in hours--NASA wouldn't even consult for the film because it's simply not realistic. This is the same, just on a smaller scale. However, I think we have to allow for a little magic here. They are magical creatures just as the dragons are and so might bend the rules of thermodynamics Also, Martin is a writer, not a physicist or chemist. He can't be expected to nail down a physically accurate, exobiological morphology for the Others. I see where you're going with this, and symbolically I think you might be on the right track. Many extremophiles can produce natural antifreeze that keep their cells from freezing and bursting at low temperatures. Maybe the Others can do that, but humans have no defense against such extreme changes in temperature. I do like the way your mind is working here. Have you considered the (remote) possibility that the Others aren't native to Planetos? I have nothing to back that up, just tossing it out there.
  20. Jon is a threat to her for as long as he lives. He's male and he has the best claim to the throne. If he's alive, there is always the chance that the lords will rally around him and not her. It's exactly the same reason Robert wanted to kill Viserys and then, after Viserys' death, kill her. She made it very clear she intended to sack Winterfell, too. She would never share power with him--that's like Voldemort or Sauron giving up power. Not gonna happen.
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    Jon killing Dany doesn’t work for me

    Thanks. I forgot all about that. ☺
  22. Actually, Martin himself said it years ago.
  23. Leto II doesn't come into it until book 2, Dune Messiah. But you'll get the picture.
  24. Yep, I agree with that. I edited my post above to not give too much away in case Lollygags hasn't read the story, but the messianic talk around Dany is strikingly similar. All you have to do is think about Paul's jihad to realize what Dany is. Bran as Leto II is a little frightening to think about. The physical descriptions of Cat and Ned even match those of Jessica and Leto.
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    Daenerys should have supported Jon’s claim

    Again, as long as there were males left, she was no one and has no valid claim. That includes the Baratheons. Viserys told her a bunch of malarkey that the Westerosi would welcome them back with open arms. Um, no. They put Robert on the throne to end Aerys' atrocities. Jorah tried to warn her, but she didn't listen.
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