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The Wondering Wolf

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  1. Sorry, but that does not make any sense. F&B was written by GRRM himself. So it is not semi-canon. These novellas were drafts from the Targaryen material for the Worldbook. At some point GRRM stopped working on it because it would not fit into the Worldbook for reasons of space. When he was asked to contribute to some anthologies, he delivered some stuff from the material. He only started working on the material again when he edited it for F&B. Then he corrected errors and changed a few lines. Why would he change these lines if not because he no longer wanted to go with them? To consider the drafts more canon than the final text does not seem reasonable to me.
  2. Do not think so. The Sons of the Dragon, The Rogue Prince and The Princess and the Queen are all drafts of the material GRRM put into F&B (in-world all of these are written by Gyldayn). Anything only mentioned in the history novellas might not be canon anymore.
  3. What is interesting is that this part did not make into F&B, the final version of TPATQ. The Westerosi do not consider Rhaenyra a legit queen though.
  4. There are few people who know more about the world of Ice and Fire than user Rhaenys_Targaryen. If she asks you for a source, you either stumbled upon something really rare. Or your source is not canon. So when she tells you a number is not mentioned in the texts, she does not want to speculate about the number, she wants to make sure you (and other readers of the thread) know about that. No need to point out the obvious then.
  5. Why would he? He had Varys and just burned anyone with the help of the pyromancers.
  6. You know what lord confessors do? Their job is to question (torture) prisoners, and they have a bloody history of torturing and killing innocents. I can only imagine what a psychopathic scumbag Aegon's IV lord confessor must have been. So it is not surprising that a king they called the Good made an end to that.
  7. It's not easy to keep track of all those Darry lords during the Dance. The Red Kraken himself led the attack that captured Kayce. Faircastle fell, and with it Fair Isle and all its wealth. Lord Dalton claimed four of Lord Farman's daughters as salt wives and gave the fifth—"the homely one"—to his brother Veron. (World of Ice and Fire) With the Red Kraken’s longships still menacing their coasts, the Lannisters were more concerned with defending Kayce and retaking Fair Isle than with renewing the struggle for the Iron Throne. (Fire & Blood) Lady Johanna at last donned a man’s mail to lead the men of Lannisport and Casterly Rock against the foe. The songs tell of how she slew a dozen ironmen beneath the walls of Kayce, but those may be safely put aside as the work of drunken singers (Johanna carried a banner into battle, not a sword). Her courage did help inspire her westermen, however, for the raiders were soon routed and Kayce was saved. (Fire & Blood) There seems to be some discrepancy. Sure. Don't (almost) sleep and write.
  8. Not sure about that one. All we know is that Derrick died at some point between Addam's flight to the riverlands and the Bloody Mess (a most fitting name for the Darry trees in the books). Since he is not mentioned to have died at Tumbleton, I would not state it as fact (Elmo Tully dies without fighting, too). Was Kayce actually captured by the Ironborn? F&B makes it appear as Johanna Lannister saved the city.
  9. Asked for the birth order of Rickon Stark's daughters Serena and Sansa (the Worldbook Stark family tree says Serena was the older one), Elio revealed in the Discord chat: The order in the trees was not necessarily designed to represent birth order, for reasons of space and compactness. GRRM presented Sansa as the elder and Serena as the younger when he provided us the details.
  10. I am not really happy with the article on Lord Staunton. There are four dates (48, 50, 54, 59 AC), and while it would be kind of overloaded, in theory at any of these points there could have been a different Lord Staunton. We see this with the Lord Darklyn at the end of Maegor's reign, who suddenly disappears within three years without further mention. The only reason we know he died is because he is described as father of Jonquil Darke and at another point the Lord of Duskendale is her brother. Any proposals how to handle that? Call out to @Thomaerys Velaryon who created the article.
  11. Ran and Linda participated in the publishing of the app. The information were based on the books and answers by GRRM himself. This particular piece of Lianna's place of death was based on said family tree GRRM had showed them. It was a tree GRRM used to keep track of his stuff, so it has not been published.
  12. What haven't you seen? The comment or the family tree?
  13. As Ran once revealed, the location of Lyanna's death in the app is based on a Stark family tree by George that included dates of birth and death and stuff.
  14. Is there still an errata thread for F&B and the Worldbook?
  15. Lyman features rather heavily in F&B, so there would have been enough opportunities to mention his relations to Loren. As you quoted, Rhaena even talks about him growing up with tales of the Field of Fire, but no mention of his father. I do not say it would have been necessary to mention it, but it is noteworthy though that Loren's heir was supposed to marry a Redwyne girl. Now maybe they never married (a bit useless to mention the whole thing then) or she died and he remarried (too much guesswork in my opinion), but without further confirmation I do not think we can be sure of anything. It is even possible that GRRM did not remember he had established that Loren fathered one son after the Conquest. Or he did remember but decided that Tyrion had not got it entirely right.
  16. If this line was meant to establish the relation of Loren and Lyman, why did nothing like this come up in F&B? The only way Elio and Linda would have known that Lyman is Loren's son is by GRRM himself (especially since the material excluded from the Worldbook might have already stated Loren's heir was betrothed to a Redwyne while Lyman was married to a Tarbeck). So they should be able to tell us if there was a confirmation on this matter or if 'a generation later' was just broad wording without any further knowledge.
  17. @LordSeaSnake I have noticed this passage as well, but can we really rule out that 'next generation' refers to the Targaryens? Maybe @Ran can clarify?
  18. GRRM wrote a specific date for Aerea's return on Balerion and listed what other people where doing at this moment. It is his 'Where were you when the Twin Towers collapsed?'. Besides that, the dates you mentioned are mostly unconnected to each other or even to other events. When GRRM is more precise with dates, it is almost 50/50 these dates make sense. You can see that with Laena's birthday (which had to be moved from 93 to 92 AC to make it work that Rhaenys had disvovered her pregnancy by the 9th day of the third moon), with the timing of the Maiden's Day Ball in 133 AC (which is almost impossible to solve because the Maiden's Day has been established to take place in the first half of a year and the Ball takes place at the end), with Rhaenyra's journey from KL to DS (which takes 5 months when all she did was travelling along the coastline up to Duskendale and no-one wanted to have her around for long), with various wrong ages of characters at certain points, and so on. GRRM is a great writer, but he has huge issues with numbers. He does not even realize that there is no year 0 but still calculates ages as if there was (Aegon, born in 27 BC, becoming 60 in 33 AC). And why is it? Because you do not need many dates to tell a compelling story. So just because GRRM throws out a bunch of unrelated dates in a history book, it does not mean he knows the specific dates of all the important characters and events in recent history.
  19. As I said, not impossible but unnecessarily convoluted. Rogar could have been the son of Davos' younger brother, Davos could have had two sons and so on. Since we can not rule it out entirely, the wiki should not state it as fact, indeed. You can ask Elio for an account.
  20. @Lord Varys Raymont is described as Lord Baratheon's younger son in the Worldbook. Unless something incredibly convoluted happend regarding the Baratheon lords between 37 and 47 AC (or whenever Rogar was lord for sure), Raymont was supposed to be Orys's son. Anyway, I don't think this guy exists anymore. At least he is not mentioned in any book anymore.
  21. Elio had revealed that Lyonel, Sam and their children are canon even before F&B was published. GRRM wrote the whole regnancy stuff for the Worldbook, so Elio and Linda knew about all of that years before we did.
  22. Sure. Renly takes part in tourneys, has a squire and was raised in an Andal culture. None of that means he was a knight, but to me it seems more likely than not.
  23. Robert is called one of the finest knights by Yandel in the Worldbook, Stannis knighted Davos (so he must be a knight himself), and Loras squired for Renly, so I would assume Renly was a knight as well.
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