Arthur Dayne's Honor Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I mean are they at the end of the line of succession at least? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sansa_Stark Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Not at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
65536ob Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 legitimized bastards come after trueborn children, bastards who aren't legitimized aren't in the line of succession at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Dayne's Honor Posted November 25, 2013 Author Share Posted November 25, 2013 Not at all.if all of the legit people in a House die off wouldn't the acknowledged child of the Lord of said house be legitimized . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Dayne's Honor Posted November 25, 2013 Author Share Posted November 25, 2013 legitimized bastards come after trueborn children, bastards who aren't legitimized aren't in the line of succession at allacknowledged doesn't mean legitimized. Acknowledged bastards are like Jon Snow and Edric Storm. Their lord fathers came out and said "Hey this is my son." But they still have a bastard name . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addam of Hull Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Actually, I think it's possible for a non-legitimized bastard to inherit, but the circumstances are typically pretty unusual. Didn't Bran consider making Larence Snow the heir to House Hornwood in aCoK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Dayne's Honor Posted November 25, 2013 Author Share Posted November 25, 2013 Actually, I think it's possible for a non-legitimized bastard to inherit, but the circumstances are typically pretty unusual. Didn't Bran consider making Larence Snow the heir to House Hornwood in aCoK?yes I believe so. So I guess the answer to my question is that technically they aren't but if there aren't any others to inherit, like in the case of Larence Snow, it's not unheard of for the acknowledged bastard to be legitimized Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addam of Hull Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 yes I believe so. So I guess the answer to my question is that technically they aren't but if there aren't any others to inherit, like in the case of Larence Snow, it's not unheard of for the acknowledged bastard to be legitimized Well, yeah, I think generally bastards never inherit, unless the circumstances are pretty dire. Likely enough, any bastard that would inherit is probably legitimized first (since that's probably what the mechanic of legitimization exists for.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay Gimp Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 It depends, according to GRRM. It's usually handled on a case-by-case basis. They have a claim, but not a very strong one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sansa_Stark Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 if all of the legit people in a House die off wouldn't the acknowledged child of the Lord of said house be legitimized . Possibly. When you consider everyone else dead it changes things, but I don't believe for example, Jon Snow was ever in the line of succession despite his acknowledgement and life in WF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Tan Lee Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 No, bastards have zero claim to their father's lands and titles. However sometimes they get it anyways if they happen to have a strong influence in their father's region. Take Jon snow. If he didn't join the Night's watch and stayed in Winterfel until he was a full adult but one day all his family members just died off and there isn't a clear inheritor then its very possible he would have enough supporters to just take control. He might have to deal with some type of power struggle from a distant Stark relative but he could still win. Same goes for Edric Storm. People really seemed to like him and if the Baratheon line died out then there's a good chance he could end up with Stormsend and it's lands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0bR Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Actually, I think it's possible for a non-legitimized bastard to inherit, but the circumstances are typically pretty unusual. Didn't Bran consider making Larence Snow the heir to House Hornwood in aCoK? He would surely get legitimized by Robb, wouldn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ours if the Fury Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 legitimized bastards come after trueborn children, bastards who aren't legitimized aren't in the line of succession at all This is correct Actually, I think it's possible for a non-legitimized bastard to inherit, but the circumstances are typically pretty unusual. Didn't Bran consider making Larence Snow the heir to House Hornwood in aCoK? and only if all the heirs are dead... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addam of Hull Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 He would surely get legitimized by Robb, wouldn't he? That's actually my thought, yes. If only because they need him to take the last name in order to carry on the line succession in the future (otherwise, he'd form House Snow instead or some other new house.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ours if the Fury Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 That's actually my thought, yes. If only because they need him to take the last name in order to carry on the line succession in the future (otherwise, he'd form House Snow instead or some other new house.) Yes, this is spot on!!! :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addam of Hull Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 This is correct and only if all the heirs are dead... That may be correct. I think Martin said that it's actually more complicated than that in an SBS. That is, there are usually rules for inheriting and usually bastards aren't even considered, but the rules aren't as binding as they seem to be. The Blackfyre Rebellion occurred because a good portion of the realm decided to throw their lot in with a bastard, after all. Legitimized though he may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Monkey Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 GRRM confirmed that there is no rule about which order they come in. For example, if Jon Snow were legitimized by King Robert, he might (in theory) come before Robb as the eldest child, come after Rickon but before Sansa, or come after Arya. Sometimes it matters if all of the originally trueborn heirs are dead, but sometimes it doesn't. It depends entirely on what the powers that be want and there is no inherent logic or precedent that can be relied on as a rule of thumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addam of Hull Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 GRRM confirmed that there is no rule about which order they come in. For example, if Jon Snow were legitimized by King Robert, he might (in theory) come before Robb as the eldest child, come after Rickon but before Sansa, or come after Arya. Sometimes it matters if all of the originally trueborn heirs are dead, but sometimes it doesn't. It depends entirely on what the powers that be want and there is no inherent logic or precedent that can be relied on as a rule of thumb. Which is why Jon's potential legitimization is so damn confusing when it comes to figuring out who the heir to Winterfell is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Monkey Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Which is why Jon's potential legitimization is so damn confusing when it comes to figuring out who the heir to Winterfell is. It's confusing on purpose though! When the dust clears and someone takes control, they will decide what is most politically advantageous for them. Jeyne Poole? Jon Snow? Bran Stark? Rickon Stark? Sansa Stark? You can pick any heir you want as long as you have a big army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addam of Hull Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 It's confusing on purpose though! When the dust clears and someone takes control, they will decide what is most politically advantageous for them. Jeyne Poole? Jon Snow? Bran Stark? Rickon Stark? Sansa Stark? You can pick any heir you want as long as you have a big army. Oh, I quite agree. It makes discussions of the future of the Starks all the more lively, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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