JaegrM Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 The Highgarden coin imo was most likely planted by Rugen/Varys After it's discovery Cersei thinks that the Tyrells may have had a hand in Joff's death.Which we the readers know is true. Could Vary's both be attempting to sow discord as well as help Cersei discover her son's true murderers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Winter Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 He "helps" her only so far as it involves alienating her from Tyrells and feeding her paranoia. He doesn't give a damn about her or her family's cause, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirri Maz Durr Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 It was all about creating discord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaegrM Posted January 25, 2014 Author Share Posted January 25, 2014 Well, between sending Gendry away, and a couple other things he said (which admittedly could be BS) about the suffering children, I can also see him wanting to assist in avenging an "unjustly" murdered child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferocious Veldt Roarer Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 The Highgarden coin imo was most likely planted by Rugen/Varys After it's discovery Cersei thinks that the Tyrells may have had a hand in Joff's death.Which we the readers know is true. Actually, she's convinced they helped Tyrion's escape, which we know is BS. And anyway, if you give someone rope to hang themselves (and that's precisely the role Cersei's paranoia played), you don't really help them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Goat Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Varys is formenting chaos and conflict. He's helping nobody but himself, the sneaky little man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaegrM Posted January 25, 2014 Author Share Posted January 25, 2014 The way I see it-If Varys' clue leads cersei to the truly guilty party, a child murder is avenged and the distrust he wants is sowed anywayIf she can't accomplish this vengence, the disconent will still be there.. The mistrust still exists either way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iona Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 I'm actually not sure whether it was Varys that planted the coin in Rugen's little "hole of treasures". I always thought it was just a liiiiitle bit suspicious that others had searched the cell inside out, but Qyburn just happened to scratch off some dirt from the bottom of that hole and whoopsie-daisie, there was an old HG gold coin there... And then there's the tale of Olenna's shopping habits, which again conveniently comes from Taena. I have my suspicions about those two - though it is also possible that Varys is pulling their strings too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Lady Stark Martell Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 If by "assisting" you mean "subtly manipulating", then yes. He wants Cersei to go completely mad and cause conflict between the Lannisters and the Tyrells. Varys has his own agenda, but I don't think he's purposely doing anything that will only help Cersei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Human Abstract Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Vary wants Cersei in power because he believes she's inept or easily manipulated. He typically kills off or dispatches the Lannisters whom he deems too competent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Thornhart Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Varys wanted Cersei to remain Regent. That proves he is against her. Hey JaegrM, cool photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaegrM Posted January 25, 2014 Author Share Posted January 25, 2014 Hey JaegrM, cool photo. Thank you. It tickled my funny bone, so I chose it. Why does the sowing discontent between these families and seeing the murderers of a child answer for their crimes have to be mutually exclusive I guess is the point I'm getting at Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hajk Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 The Highgarden coin imo was most likely planted by Rugen/Varys After it's discovery Cersei thinks that the Tyrells may have had a hand in Joff's death. Which we the readers know is true. Could Vary's both be attempting to sow discord as well as help Cersei discover her son's true murderers? Of all the things that she has managed to accuse the Tyrells of, it's a wonder that she hasn't accused them of the thing that they are actually guilty of. But I suspect that if he wanted to lead Cersei to this conclusion, all he needed to do was tell her that this was so. She probably would have believed him in her paranoia anyhow (just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get you). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaegrM Posted January 25, 2014 Author Share Posted January 25, 2014 Of all the things that she has managed to accuse the Tyrells of, it's a wonder that she hasn't accused them of the thing that they are actually guilty of. But I suspect that if he wanted to lead Cersei to this conclusion, all he needed to do was tell her that this was so. She probably would have believed him in her paranoia anyhow (just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get you). Varys is smart enough to know that he's likely considered an accomplice to Tyrion's escape, this could prudently be his only method of planting a seed for Cersei's thoughts that the Tyrell's were part of Joff's murder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fangirl000 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Varys is assisting Cersei by giving her all the rope she needs to hang herself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaegrM Posted January 25, 2014 Author Share Posted January 25, 2014 Varys is assisting Cersei by giving her all the rope she needs to hang herself. We all know and IMO I think Varys knows, no extra rope is needed for Cersei to hang herself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hajk Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Varys is smart enough to know that he's likely considered an accomplice to Tyrion's escape, this could prudently be his only method of planting a seed for Cersei's thoughts that the Tyrell's were part of Joff's murder But Joff's murder was even prior to Tyrion's trial (obviously). He could have planted the seed then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaegrM Posted January 25, 2014 Author Share Posted January 25, 2014 But Joff's murder was even prior to Tyrion's trial (obviously). He could have planted the seed then.Possible....However, I think emptying Rugen's dwelling save for the circumstantial coin linking it to the Tyrell's involvement implies otherwise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutlawSarge Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Varys is formenting chaos and conflict. He's helping nobody but himself, the sneaky little man. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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