Wmarshal Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 As to Dany, she is no Khal, barely actually khalessi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Imperator Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 More so IMO. A whole different league of bullshit. It's a good thing Euron has his handy-dandy warlocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippocras Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Dany's dragons may be only teenagers, but no one else has any. So I think she can burn pretty much whatever she wants to burn by flying to cities on her own and attacking targets from the sky. No one can even resist that if they don't know she is coming. And right now, noone knows where she is so she could attack literally anyone without the slightest resistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 I think not, crossbows, and archers can still slow them down and one scorpion would finish them. Smarter to rely only troops for a good two years or more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Imperator Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Dany's dragons may be only teenagers, but no one else has any. So I think she can burn pretty much whatever she wants to burn by flying to cities on her own and attacking targets from the sky. No one can even resist that if they don't know she is coming. And right now, noone knows where she is so she could attack literally anyone without the slightest resistance.Aye, and she's got one huge ego. I doubt she'll put up with much resistance, especially with what happened at Meereen. Anyway, will she go for all of Essos? She might just go for Westeros and only Westeros. I think not, crossbows, and archers can still slow them down and one scorpion would finish them. Smarter to rely only troops for a good two years or more. True dat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodor's Dragon Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 I think not, crossbows, and archers can still slow them down and one scorpion would finish them. Smarter to rely only troops for a good two years or more. We had a good discussion of this in a thread a few weeks back. It would be hard as hell to hit a dragon with a scorpion. Scorpions have a narrow firing arc and are very difficult to move. If the scorpions aren't camouflaged they're useless because you could just avoid their firing arc. The dragon would have to fly precisely into its arc, and then you better not miss because once you fire you've revealed your position and can't fire again for a couple of minutes, by which time you are certain to be engulfed in flame. Mass archery could be more problematic for young dragons. My impression is that at some point their armor is sufficient that they become basically impervious to archery except for the eyes, but I'm not certain about that. In the picture of Balerion that has been circulating recently you can see he is actually wearing a breastplate - but that's a head-scratcher to me. How the heck do you get a gigantic breastplate on a gigantic dragon, and then what happens when the dragon keeps growing? Assuming it's true that they ever do, I have no idea when Dany's dragons would reach the "impervious to archery" phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Actually, scorpians can be found on castle walls or forts, no need to camouflage if you are defending, dragons would have to come down to burn castles, a specially a baby dragon, a good archer could perfectly see when to loose it at a dragon. Same tactic can be used on a ship. It is how Meraxes and stormcload died, a hit to the neck. Dany's dragons are young dragons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippocras Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 I think not, crossbows, and archers can still slow them down and one scorpion would finish them. Smarter to rely only troops for a good two years or more.If no one knows she is coming, there is no army of archers and no one manning scorpions to stop her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 How would they not know she is coming? This cities have walls and men manning them, unless she ignores the walls and simple burn armless citizens like Aemond did I don't see how she would catch anyone unguarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creticus Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Arrows are more useful for deterring dragon riders than the actual dragons. They're not even that effective for killing armored humans outside of a very short distance, much less fire-breathing monsters no matter how small. As for the rest, I'm curious if dragons can function well enough in the darkness to launch night attacks. After all, it's not like they have to worry about friendly fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippocras Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 How would they not know she is coming? This cities have walls and men manning them, unless she ignores the walls and simple burn armless citizens like Aemond did I don't see how she would catch anyone unguarded.If she is flying alone over great distances on a dragon, how WOULD they know she is coming? Drogon is faster than any raven, she has no marching army with her, just heaps of wrath to direct against the worst offender cities.She would be on top of them before they could ring a bell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 We saw from Stormcload baby -dragons hides can be pierced by arrows and crossbow bolts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodor's Dragon Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Actually, scorpians can be found on castle walls or forts, no need to camouflage if you are defending, dragons would have to come down to burn castles, a specially a baby dragon, a good archer could perfectly see when to loose it at a dragon. Same tactic can be used on a ship. It is how Meraxes and stormcload died, a hit to the neck. Dany's dragons are young dragons. You're right, I'm talking about field battles when I talk about camouflage. And I think dragons are the most useful in the field. I would suspect that a dragon that is vulnerable to archery would be difficult to employ successfully in a castle assault or siege. You'd have to be very careful, anyway - use high-altitude recon to ID the defenses and make hit-and-run attacks on weak spot. Meraxes died from a bolt to the eye and Stormcloud died of arrows to the body but was young - I have no idea what his age was compared to Dany's 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 By seeing a dragon coming straight for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Stormcload hatched while aegon was a babe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippocras Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 By seeing a dragon coming straight for them.And by the time they went to fetch their bows it would be too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creticus Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 We saw from Stormcload baby -dragons hides can be pierced by arrows and crossbow bolts. Stormcloud had a scorpion bolt through its neck. The sheer number of arrows embedded in its belly suggests that the scorpion bolt was the bigger problem by far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Hippocras, unless a city has only three guys guarding it, the rest would have time to call the whole watch and arm up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmarshal Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Arrows still got though his hide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodor's Dragon Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 By seeing a dragon coming straight for them. By the time a dragon is visible, it's far too late to position scorpions. They're heavy, cumbersome siege equipment and difficult to move. It takes some time to prepare them to be moved and hitch them to a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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