Jon would have done much better than Robb

[Jon's Queen Consort]

does this talk of bedding Jeyne even matter considering there is no way in seven hells that Jon would have been able to get an alliance with the Freys were their roles reversed?

Actually he would been able to do it the same was, he would be betrothed with a Frey, and unlike Robb he would had honored his word.

[Game Of Thrones]

does this talk of bedding Jeyne even matter considering there is no way in seven hells that Jon would have been able to get an alliance with the Freys were their roles reversed?

Exactly.

[Game Of Thrones]

Actually he would been able to do it the same was, he would be betrothed with a Frey, and unlike Robb he would had honored his word.

Pretty sure Jon would have done the exact same thing Robb did.

[Jon's Queen Consort]

Pretty sure Jon would have done the exact same thing Robb did.

Sure.

[LordStoneheart]

I see what you mean, switching them at key points to compare what would be different, but I have to think about it in sequential order. If Jon was somehow acting Lord of Winterfell when Eddard was arrested he could not have followed what Robb had done.

[Ser Eric]

:bang: Robb had made an alliance and he broke this alliance hence he was endangering his whole Kingdom and he got punished for this a it should happen. You cannot expect to break your alliance and the other react like nothing happen especially if they have helped you to be where you are. He could had predict that with f**ing Jeyne he would had broke his alliance.

Jon was stabbed because he tried to help people Robb was betrayed because he couldn't keep his pants on. Huge difference.

Jesus christ.

Robb would have expected a broken alliance, not his whoie army being butchered on the pretext of a wedding.

Jon was quick to break his vows to go with Robb.

Jon had sex with the Ygritte, multiple times. Not because he had to, but because he wanted to.

Robb fucked jeyne because he had some terrible news. When Jon had terrible news, he wasted no time in trying to break his vows. Both are the same thing....except Jon got a second chance.

Jon was stabbed by his own people and that was a hell of a lot more predictable than Robb being slaughtered. And you'll find many argue that Jon's stabbing wasn't wrong because he was fucking the NW and it's principles over.

[Jon's Queen Consort]

Robb would have expected a broken alliance, not his whoie army being butchered on the pretext of a wedding.

Because who would had acted in any way if he was betrayed and insulted right?

Jon was quick to break his vows to go with Robb.

Jon had sex with the Ygritte, multiple times. Not because he had to, but because he wanted to.

Again, endangering only himself.

Robb fucked jeyne because he had some terrible news. When Jon had terrible news, he wasted no time in trying to break his vows. Both are the same thing....except Jon got a second chance.

Wrong. Robb f*ed Jeyne and he broke his vows and was punishe for that. Jon on the other hand tried to break his vows.

Jon was stabbed by his own people and that was a hell of a lot more predictable than Robb being slaughtered. And you'll find many argue that Jon's stabbing wasn't wrong because he was fucking the NW and it's principles over.

Because who wouldn't act if someone had betrayed and insult him right?

Jon tried to help people and was punished, Robb thought only about f*ing Jeyne not people's well-being.

[Ser Eric]

Because who would had acted in any way if he was betrayed and insulted right?

Are you suggesting that the RW was a normal reaction? Are you Walder Frey himself?

Again, endangering only himself.

Which goes back to my previous point. Jon had the luxury of making mistakes and learning. Robb was on a hiding to nothing.

Wrong. Robb f*ed Jeyne and he broke his vows and was punishe for that. Jon on the other hand tried to break his vows.

Jon was well on his way to breaking his vows before being unwillingly dragged back to Castle Black. Here again we see Jon getting a second chance, when, if he had been left to his own devices he would have broken his vows.

Because who wouldn't act if someone had betrayed and insult him right?

Jon tried to help people and was punished, Robb thought only about f*ing Jeyne not people's well-being.

Jon's actions were seen by many as violation of the NW which is why he was stabbed. That was a hell of a lot more predictable than the RW...but keep on igoring that.

[Jon's Queen Consort]

Are you suggesting that the RW was a normal reaction? Are you Walder Frey himself?

Very funny. Yes I believe after what Robb did only revenge was the answer. But the Freys could had done it in a more clear way: poison.

Which goes back to my previous point. Jon had the luxury of making mistakes and learning. Robb was on a hiding to nothing.

Wrong. If Robb wasn't able to clontrol his pants on then he shouldn't had been in leader's place.

Jon was well on his way to breaking his vows before being unwillingly dragged back to Castle Black. Here again we see Jon getting a second chance, when, if he had been left to his own devices he would have broken his vows.

Yet he didn't. If he wanted he would hadn't gone back.

Jon's actions were seen by many as violation of the NW which is why he was stabbed. That was a hell of a lot more predictable than the RW...but keep on igoring that.

Because who wouldn't expect a reaction when Robb broke his vows right?

But yest again you are wrong. Jon tried to help the wildlings and in ASOS Jeor told:

We never knew! But we must have known once. The Night's Watch has forgotten its true purpose, Tarly. You don't build a wall seven hundred feet high to keep savages in skins from stealing women. The Wall was made to guard the realms of men … and not against other men, which is all the wildlings are when you come right down to it. Too many years, Tarly, too many hundreds and thousands of years. We lost sight of the true enemy. And now he's here, but we don't know how to fight him.

So yes Jon didn't broke the purpose of the NW.

[Ser Eric]

So, RW was a normal reaction. Ok then. I can't tell if you are being stupid or just trolling. Or maybe you are just blindly biased given your username.

Jon repeatedly gets second chances. Robb doesn't. You can ignore that all you want but it's all right there in the text.

[Jon's Queen Consort]

So, RW was a normal reaction. Ok then. I can't tell if you are being stupid or just trolling. Or maybe you are just blindly biased given your username.

Personam attack how mature! Congratulations! And yes RW (Robb's death) was the only answer to what he did. He betrayed and insulted them when they had hepled him to win his battles. There was nothing else that it could had been done.

Jon repeatedly gets second chances. Robb doesn't. You can ignore that all you want but it's all right there in the text.

Robb believes that he is able to lead and when he fails " :bawl: :crying: :bawl: :crying: :bawl: :crying: :bawl: HE HAD NO SECOND CHANCE" ? Sure ok.

[Ser Eric]

Personam attack how mature! Congratulations! And yes RW (or the killing of Robb) was the only answer to what Robb did. He betrayed and insult them when they had hepled him to win his battles. There was nothing else that it could had been done.

Robb believes that he is able to lead and when he fails "BUHUHU! HE HAD NO SECOND CHANCE" ? Sure ok.

Absurd.

Robb HAS to lead. He did not demand it, he did not take it. It FELL to him when he wasn't remotely ready for it. To top it off he was even made KitN by his bannermen which only ended up complicating the situation even further.

[HexMachina]

Personam attack how mature! Congratulations! And yes RW (Robb's death) was the only answer to what he did. He betrayed and insulted them when they had hepled him to win his battles. There was nothing else that it could had been done..

I'm sorry, but yes there was. Regardless of Robb's broken promise, we have the likes of Dacey Mormont, Wendel Manderly, Smalljon Umber, slain. We have thousands of Robb's men, slain. We have Edmure imprisoned along.with many others. Take out their anger on Robb is arguably justifiable yes. His other bannerman is not. They did nothing wrong at all to the Freys. Walder went above and.beyond "revenge"

[Jon's Queen Consort]

I'm sorry, but yes there was. Regardless of Robb's broken promise, we have the likes of Dacey Mormont, Wendel Manderly, Smalljon Umber, slain. We have thousands of Robb's men, slain. We have Edmure imprisoned along.with many others. Take out their anger on Robb is arguably justifiable yes. His other bannerman is not. They did nothing wrong at all to the Freys. Walder went above and.beyond "revenge"

Their death is on Robb. If he hadn't broke his word they would be alive.

Absurd.

Robb HAS to lead. He did not demand it, he did not take it. It FELL to him when he wasn't remotely ready for it. To top it off he was even made KitN by his bannermen which only ended up complicating the situation even further.

Because he couldn't had named someone else the leader?

[Game Of Thrones]

Because he couldn't had named someone else the leader?

No, he couldn't. Are you serious?

[Ser Eric]

Because he couldn't had named someone else the leader?

:lol:

[Jon's Queen Consort]

No, he couldn't. Are you serious?

He wasn't an adult yet so he could have named another leader until he would become 16.

[Ser Eric]

He wasn't an adult yet so he could have named another leader until he would become 16.

Another absurd opinion. You keep churning them out like there's no tomorrow.

[Game Of Thrones]

He wasn't an adult yet so he could have named another leader until he would become 16.

Such as?

No Northman would follow the BF, and there are no other real possible leaders around.

[Jon's Queen Consort]

Such as?

No Northman would follow the BF, and there are no other real possible leaders around.

How about a Northman or a counsil of Northmen? But no, a child who haven't been trained should take the leadership. Makes sense.

Another absurd opinion. You keep churning them out like there's no tomorrow.

You are right! It's not like even Cat thought to send him back at WF, but him playing war and making stupid decisions which cost the lives of hundreds of peoples it's ok...