Super Daario Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 In Game of Thrones, we started with: JonBranEddardCatelynSansaAryaTyrionDanaerys (8 characters) - Eddard = 7 characters In ACOK add: DavosTheon (9 characters) In ASOS add: JaimeSamwell (11 characters) - Catelyn = 10 characters In AFFC add: CerseiBrienneHotahArienneOakheart (LOL)AshaDamphairVic (18 characters) - Oakheart = 17 characters In ADWD add: Ser BarristanMelisandreQuentynJonConnington (21 characters) - Quentyn = 20 characters So, we have 20 characters going into TWOW. We have to admit the possibility that Jon Snow may not be coming back (although chances of that are very slim) and there is always the possibility that he won't be back as a POV character (the chances of that are fairly good, I think.) So a conservative estimate puts us at 19 characters. 19 characters, in a series that started with 8. I think it's fair to say that The Winds of Winter is going to be a bloodbath. The question is, which of the new characters are going to survive the coming book? And which of the old ones are now running on borrowed time... For starters, I think it is obvious that Melisandre has an important role to play. I feel confident enough to put her in the 'safe' category. Brienne, on the other hand...not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liaraeyne Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Interesting :)The following were confirmed:TyrionSansaArianneAryaTheonVictarionBarristanAeronBarristan, Arianne, Tyrion and Victarion will be important from that list I think. I hope aeron will not be important, he really bores me. I wonder where Arya will end up.Besides these characters I think the following will return: joncon, daenerys, hotah, samwell, melisandre and hopefully jon.Btw did you intentionally not list the characters who were only povs for prologues/epilogues, such as Kevan? :)I doubt who will now be the main pov for the red keep (somehow I doubt it's Cersei). I still hope Margaery will become a pov hehe ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Daario Posted September 15, 2014 Author Share Posted September 15, 2014 Interesting :)The following were confirmed:TyrionSansaArianneAryaTheonVictarionBarristanAeronBarristan, Arianne, Tyrion and Victarion will be important from that list I think. I hope aeron will not be important, he really bores me. I wonder where Arya will end up.Besides these characters I think the following will return: joncon, daenerys, hotah, samwell, melisandre and hopefully jon.Btw did you intentionally not list the characters who were only povs for prologues/epilogues, such as Kevan? :)I doubt who will now be the main pov for the red keep (somehow I doubt it's Cersei). I still hope Margaery will become a pov hehe ^^ Oh, I wasn't counting the prologues and epilogues. Those characters tend to be very short lived. :) I agree that Barristan, Arienne, and Victarion are important. Tyrion, obviously (although I wouldn't say safe!) Arienne is our main POV for Dorne. We've lost a couple Martells already - I'd like to think she is safe.I think Jon Connington is also an important POV. As for Tyrells, a POV would be nice, but I don't think it's going to happen...I read somewhere that GRRM said he wasn't going to add any new POVs from this point on. I do think Tyrells will be in control of King's Landing next book - it will be interesting to see how Cersei deals with that! edit: agreed that Damphair is kind of boring. However he is the only one with an eye on Crow's Eye... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingelheim Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 I expect Brienne, Barristan, Theon, and JonCon to die. I don't know what will happen to both Jaime and Cersei, but I'm positive both of them will make it to ADOS. The same with Victarion. And I expect Areo Hotah, the Damphair, Mel, and Asha to have 1-2 POVs each before dropping their storylines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillyPolly Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 AGOT: 8-1=7 (Jon, Bran, Eddard, Catelyn, Sansa, Arya, Tyrion, Danaerys) ACOK 7+2=9: Add Davos & Theon (Jon, Bran, Eddard, Catelyn, Sansa, Arya, Tyrion, Danaerys, Davos, Theon) ASOS 7+2-1=10: Add Jaime & SamwellMinus Catelyn = 10 (Jon, Bran, Eddard, Catelyn, Sansa, Arya, Tyrion, Danaerys, Davos, Theon, Jaime, Samwell) AFFC 10+8-3=15: Add Cersei, Brienne, Hotah, Arianne, Oakheart, Asha, Damphair,Vic Minus: Brienne (hanged), Samwell (offed & replaced by a Faceless Man upon arrival); Oakheart (Jon, Bran, Eddard, Catelyn, Sansa, Arya, Tyrion, Danaerys, Davos, Theon, Jaime, Samwell, Cersei, Brienne, Hotah, Arianne, Oakheart, Asha, Damphair, Vic) ADWD: 15+4-1=18 Add: Barristan, Melisandre, Quentyn, JonConningtonMinus: Jaime (offed by UnBrienne) - Note Quentyn is still alive. (Jon, Bran, Eddard, Catelyn, Sansa, Arya, Tyrion, Danaerys, Davos, Theon, Jaime, Samwell, Cersei, Brienne, Hotah, Arianne, Oakheart, Asha, Damphair, Vic, Barristan, Melisandre, Quentyn, JonCon) I think it's fair to say that The Winds of Winter is going to be a bloodbath. The question is, which of the new characters are going to survive the coming book? And which of the old ones are now running on borrowed time... As indicated above, I suspect Samwell, Jaime, and Brienne have already been lost.I have no idea how much progress TWOW will make, but I predict the following characters will die sooner rather than later: Quentyn (as a dragonrider casualty), Cersei (valonquar prophesy), Vic. Others (e.g. Hotah) may simply cease to be POVs without dyihg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salafi Stannis Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 All characters > 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rouse Me Not Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 A character doesn't necessarily have to die for their point of view arc to end. secondary povs could simply be phased out as they come into contact with more important ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game Of Thrones Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 AGOT: 8-1=7 (Jon, Bran, Eddard, Catelyn, Sansa, Arya, Tyrion, Danaerys) ACOK 7+2=9: Add Davos & Theon (Jon, Bran, Eddard, Catelyn, Sansa, Arya, Tyrion, Danaerys, Davos, Theon) ASOS 7+2-1=10: Add Jaime & Samwell Minus Catelyn = 10 (Jon, Bran, Eddard, Catelyn, Sansa, Arya, Tyrion, Danaerys, Davos, Theon, Jaime, Samwell) AFFC 10+8-3=15: Add Cersei, Brienne, Hotah, Arianne, Oakheart, Asha, Damphair,Vic Minus: Brienne (hanged), Samwell (offed & replaced by a Faceless Man upon arrival); Oakheart (Jon, Bran, Eddard, Catelyn, Sansa, Arya, Tyrion, Danaerys, Davos, Theon, Jaime, Samwell, Cersei, Brienne, Hotah, Arianne, Oakheart, Asha, Damphair, Vic) ADWD: 15+4-1=18 Add: Barristan, Melisandre, Quentyn, JonConnington Minus: Jaime (offed by UnBrienne) - Note Quentyn is still alive. (Jon, Bran, Eddard, Catelyn, Sansa, Arya, Tyrion, Danaerys, Davos, Theon, Jaime, Samwell, Cersei, Brienne, Hotah, Arianne, Oakheart, Asha, Damphair, Vic, Barristan, Melisandre, Quentyn, JonCon) As indicated above, I suspect Samwell, Jaime, and Brienne have already been lost. I have no idea how much progress TWOW will make, but I predict the following characters will die sooner rather than later: Quentyn (as a dragonrider casualty), Cersei (valonquar prophesy), Vic. Others (e.g. Hotah) may simply cease to be POVs without dyihg. ChillyPolly, could you please stop spreading your theories on every thread you see? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillyPolly Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 ChillyPolly, could you please stop spreading your theories on every thread you see? Why? The thread asked for speculation. I gave mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theriveryeti Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Quentyn's gonna die AGAIN?? AGOT: 8-1=7 (Jon, Bran, Eddard, Catelyn, Sansa, Arya, Tyrion, Danaerys) ACOK 7+2=9: Add Davos & Theon (Jon, Bran, Eddard, Catelyn, Sansa, Arya, Tyrion, Danaerys, Davos, Theon) ASOS 7+2-1=10: Add Jaime & SamwellMinus Catelyn = 10 (Jon, Bran, Eddard, Catelyn, Sansa, Arya, Tyrion, Danaerys, Davos, Theon, Jaime, Samwell) AFFC 10+8-3=15: Add Cersei, Brienne, Hotah, Arianne, Oakheart, Asha, Damphair,Vic Minus: Brienne (hanged), Samwell (offed & replaced by a Faceless Man upon arrival); Oakheart (Jon, Bran, Eddard, Catelyn, Sansa, Arya, Tyrion, Danaerys, Davos, Theon, Jaime, Samwell, Cersei, Brienne, Hotah, Arianne, Oakheart, Asha, Damphair, Vic) ADWD: 15+4-1=18 Add: Barristan, Melisandre, Quentyn, JonConningtonMinus: Jaime (offed by UnBrienne) - Note Quentyn is still alive. (Jon, Bran, Eddard, Catelyn, Sansa, Arya, Tyrion, Danaerys, Davos, Theon, Jaime, Samwell, Cersei, Brienne, Hotah, Arianne, Oakheart, Asha, Damphair, Vic, Barristan, Melisandre, Quentyn, JonCon) As indicated above, I suspect Samwell, Jaime, and Brienne have already been lost.I have no idea how much progress TWOW will make, but I predict the following characters will die sooner rather than later: Quentyn (as a dragonrider casualty), Cersei (valonquar prophesy), Vic. Others (e.g. Hotah) may simply cease to be POVs without dyihg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillyPolly Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Quentyn's gonna die AGAIN?? Yup! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamWesterosiWallace Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 AGOT: 8-1=7 (Jon, Bran, Eddard, Catelyn, Sansa, Arya, Tyrion, Danaerys) ACOK 7+2=9: Add Davos & Theon (Jon, Bran, Eddard, Catelyn, Sansa, Arya, Tyrion, Danaerys, Davos, Theon) ASOS 7+2-1=10: Add Jaime & Samwell Minus Catelyn = 10 (Jon, Bran, Eddard, Catelyn, Sansa, Arya, Tyrion, Danaerys, Davos, Theon, Jaime, Samwell) AFFC 10+8-3=15: Add Cersei, Brienne, Hotah, Arianne, Oakheart, Asha, Damphair,Vic Minus: Brienne (hanged), Samwell (offed & replaced by a Faceless Man upon arrival); Oakheart (Jon, Bran, Eddard, Catelyn, Sansa, Arya, Tyrion, Danaerys, Davos, Theon, Jaime, Samwell, Cersei, Brienne, Hotah, Arianne, Oakheart, Asha, Damphair, Vic) ADWD: 15+4-1=18 Add: Barristan, Melisandre, Quentyn, JonConnington Minus: Jaime (offed by UnBrienne) - Note Quentyn is still alive. (Jon, Bran, Eddard, Catelyn, Sansa, Arya, Tyrion, Danaerys, Davos, Theon, Jaime, Samwell, Cersei, Brienne, Hotah, Arianne, Oakheart, Asha, Damphair, Vic, Barristan, Melisandre, Quentyn, JonCon) As indicated above, I suspect Samwell, Jaime, and Brienne have already been lost. I have no idea how much progress TWOW will make, but I predict the following characters will die sooner rather than later: Quentyn (as a dragonrider casualty), Cersei (valonquar prophesy), Vic. Others (e.g. Hotah) may simply cease to be POVs without dyihg. Why does your theory say that perfectly-safe-with-Sarellarellas Samwell is dead, and Quentyn the mummer's dragon is alive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillyPolly Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Why does your theory say that perfectly-safe-with-Sarellarellas Samwell is dead, and Quentyn the mummer's dragon is alive? Because I subscribe to the "Quentyn-is-Alive-&-Tatters-is-Dead" theory; the "Young-Griff-is-the-Mummer's-Dragon" theory; and the "Sam-is-not-Perfectly-Safe-with-Sarella-and-Indeed-About-to-be-Offed" theory. You have your own theories, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theriveryeti Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Because I subscribe to the "Quentyn-is-Alive-&-Tatters-is-Dead" theory; the "Young-Griff-is-the-Mummer's-Dragon" theory; and the "Sam-is-not-Perfectly-Safe-with-Sarella-and-Indeed-About-to-be-Offed" theory. You have your own theories, of course. Got a link to the last one? I'm bored :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamWesterosiWallace Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Because I subscribe to the "Quentyn-is-Alive-&-Tatters-is-Dead" theory; the "Young-Griff-is-the-Mummer's-Dragon" theory; and the "Sam-is-not-Perfectly-Safe-with-Sarella-and-Indeed-About-to-be-Offed" theory. You have your own theories, of course. Actually, a link to the first one too, if it's not too much :) I do think Sam is about to be obliterated, but by Euron Greyjoy, not the grey sheep. Hope he doesn't die, but if he does, oh well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChillyPolly Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Actually, a link to the first one too, if it's not too much :)Here's an early formulation of "Quentyn is Alive"http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/61463-the-dragon-rider-adwd-spoilers/As for Sam being a goner, I know that's been discussed, but don't know if I can find a link. Basically, one inspiration is the prophesy of the man without a face on an unsteady bridge wearing a drowned crow; = the drowned crow as Sam, the man with no face as Fake Pate [Jaquen?] wearing Sam as his new guise, and the rickety bridge as the bridge to the Tower of Ravens.To which is added the sinister implications of the last chapter. Aemon begged Sam to speak to the Maesters, and warned him against the Sphynx. Instead, Sam spills his guts to the Sphynx and is led away privately into a cabal, consisting of the Sphynx, a sinister mage, and a faceless assassin, who are determined to PREVENT Sam from ever speaking to the Maesters. The Mage then assigns the Sphynx and the Faceless Assassin to "take care" of Sam, by escorting Sam to his quarters, in an isolated and lonely part of the Citadel in an abandoned tower overlooking a river from whence his body can be readily disposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamWesterosiWallace Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Here's an early formulation of "Quentyn is Alive"http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/61463-the-dragon-rider-adwd-spoilers/As for Sam being a goner, I know that's been discussed, but don't know if I can find a link. Basically, one inspiration is the prophesy of the man without a face on an unsteady bridge wearing a drowned crow; = the drowned crow as Sam, the man with no face as Fake Pate [Jaquen?] wearing Sam as his new guise, and the rickety bridge as the bridge to the Tower of Ravens.To which is added the sinister implications of the last chapter. Aemon begged Sam to speak to the Maesters, and warned him against the Sphynx. Instead, Sam spills his guts to the Sphynx and is led away privately into a cabal, consisting of the Sphynx, a sinister mage, and a faceless assassin, who are determined to PREVENT Sam from ever speaking to the Maesters. The Mage then assigns the Sphynx and the Faceless Assassin to "take care" of Sam, by escorting Sam to his quarters, in an isolated and lonely part of the Citadel in an abandoned tower overlooking a river from whence his body can be readily disposed.Thanks for the link! About Sam... that sounds oddly plausible. Good job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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