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3 hours ago, Alden Rothack said:

I suspect several of the changes are related to each other, Jon Arryn may have stepped down to go put his house in order because on information uncovered by Stannis, Benjen and maybe even Stevron (who has ties to several of the other kingdoms)

Benjen isn't needed in Winterfell by this point as Varys only really starts being a problem when Viserys and Aegon start making their moves though Benjen and others were spying on him and a number of other people before that

Ned giving Davos Dragonstone is for the same reason his ancestor gave an Andal the Wolf's den, because he was the right man for the job at the time, if he succeeds he can keep it, if he doesn't then Stannis and Manderly take it back and put someone else in control.

There must always be a Stark in Winterfell. I really don't think Ned would bring Benjen south.

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40 minutes ago, Lee-Sensei said:

There must always be a Stark in Winterfell. I really don't think Ned would bring Benjen south.

There would be, Ned is not going to move House Stark to Kingslanding, Robb and whoever else will be in Winterfell

the future of House Stark is not in the south, it can't be because even Ned is not open to southron ways.

Note that as hand he took less than half of the available Starks

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2 hours ago, Alden Rothack said:

There would be, Ned is not going to move House Stark to Kingslanding, Robb and whoever else will be in Winterfell

the future of House Stark is not in the south, it can't be because even Ned is not open to southron ways.

Note that as hand he took less than half of the available Starks

Robb would be the crown prince heir. His place would be with or near Ned generally. I think that he'd give Winterfell to Benjen and give Robb Dragonstone.

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Just now, Lee-Sensei said:

Robb would be the crown prince heir. His place would be with or near Ned generally. I think that he'd give Winterfell to Benjen and give Robb Dragonstone.

I disagree, Winterfell is the superior holding Robb should keep it

Dragonstone is only symbolically important, particularly once Viserys and the blackfire brat are both dead

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14 hours ago, Alden Rothack said:

I disagree, Winterfell is the superior holding Robb should keep it

Dragonstone is only symbolically important, particularly once Viserys and the blackfire brat are both dead

Robb would be Ned's heir. He'd be ruling Westeros. Winterfell isn't superior to that. That's literally at the peak of Westeros' hierarchy.

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1 hour ago, Lee-Sensei said:

Robb would be Ned's heir. He'd be ruling Westeros. Winterfell isn't superior to that. That's literally at the peak of Westeros' hierarchy.

no it isn't, Robb rules exactly jack while Ned is alive outside the holdings given him as heir and of the available holdings Winterfell is vastly superior to Dragonstone, this would still be the case even if he only got the stark lands themselves not the entire north (which he does) vs dragonstone and the royal fleet (which he doesn't because Stannis gets the royal fleet as Master of Ships)

Besides which Robb ruling his own lands and the two visiting each other occasionally is more useful than having him playing courtier in kingslanding or getting in stannis's way on dragonstone

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1 hour ago, Alden Rothack said:

no it isn't, Robb rules exactly jack while Ned is alive outside the holdings given him as heir and of the available holdings Winterfell is vastly superior to Dragonstone, this would still be the case even if he only got the stark lands themselves not the entire north (which he does) vs dragonstone and the royal fleet (which he doesn't because Stannis gets the royal fleet as Master of Ships)

Besides which Robb ruling his own lands and the two visiting each other occasionally is more useful than having him playing courtier in kingslanding or getting in stannis's way on dragonstone

Winterfell isn't superior to Dragonstone and what he rules immediately isn't really relevant. Robb would be the next in line to rule the continent in a scenario where Ned becomes the king. Winterfell is far away from the capital. Dragonstone is right next door and a more prestigious spot too, since it was the seat of the heir to Westeros.

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5 minutes ago, Lee-Sensei said:

Winterfell isn't superior to Dragonstone and what he rules immediately isn't really relevant. Robb would be the next in line to rule the continent in a scenario where Ned becomes the king. Winterfell is far away from the capital. Dragonstone is right next door and a more prestigious spot too, since it was the seat of the heir to Westeros.

Yes it is and we see why in the books themselves

being the heir means nothing unless you also have the resources to press your claim, that is the exact reason why Kings and princes having vast resources of their own was desirable

We also see this within the separate kingdoms directly and repeatedly most notably with the Tullys and Tyrells.

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19 minutes ago, Alden Rothack said:

Yes it is and we see why in the books themselves

being the heir means nothing unless you also have the resources to press your claim, that is the exact reason why Kings and princes having vast resources of their own was desirable

We also see this within the separate kingdoms directly and repeatedly most notably with the Tullys and Tyrells.

That's about raw power, but it's besides the point. Robb was the son of a Tully and a Stark. His uncle by law was an Arryn. Lord Baratheon was his fathers closest friend. Besides that, Ned would probably want Robb close to him. Not far away in Winterfell.

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3 minutes ago, Lee-Sensei said:

That's about raw power, but it's besides the point. Robb was the son of a Tully and a Stark. His uncle by law was an Arryn. Lord Baratheon was his fathers closest friend. Besides that, Ned would probably want Robb close to him. Not far away in Winterfell.

No, its exactly the point

a title without the raw power to hold on to it is as much use as a screen door on a submarine

Ned would want Robb to be where was best for him and House Stark, which is Winterfell just the same as it was when Ned was hand

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