Sandor Clegane

[The.Hound]

Well, I agree Sansa and Sandor have to meet up, and I think the Mad Mouse is just the bounty hunter to make it happen. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see Ser Shadrich grab Sansa and make a run with her only to find himself in the vicinity of the Quiet Isle and one overlarge gravedigger. From there, I think Sansa is destined to head north with Sandor in tow. The new Lady of Winterfell and her captain of the guard.

Interesting.

[direWolfDel]

Well i would like to see Sansa and Sandor meet up again, if only for closure. I like the hound even if he is a little rough around the edges.

[direWolfDel]

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[FacelessGirl]

Can I invite all the Hound lovers to his second appreciation thread? :)

[seanbean4lyfe]

Can I invite all the Hound lovers to his second appreciation thread? :)

SHAMELESS :lol:

But that's probably why the thread exploded to three pages in like three hours. ;)

Correction: 5 pages hehe

[FacelessGirl]

SHAMELESS :lol:

But that's probably why the thread exploded to three pages in like three hours. ;)

Correction: 5 pages hehe

Oh crap, I've been caught! :P

LOL, but no I think it exploded because that's how much we love him. Not that a little promotion won't hurt. ;)

[seanbean4lyfe]

Oh crap, I've been caught! :P

LOL, but no I think it exploded because that's how much we love him. Not that a little promotion won't hurt. ;)

Exactly, nothing wrong came from a little promotion!

LOL I just don't think the thread even needs it! It's a phenomenom of Sandor Clegane lovin!

:P

[Été]

I mean can you imagine Sandor spouting some line from the seven? Bugger that as the old Sandor would say.

I just think if Sandor came back as some defender of the faith it would ruin his character. That's not to say that he shouldn't change because of what we like about him beforehand, but really as a defender of the faith? Too cheesy and just doesn't fit someone like Sandor.

What do you people think Sandor will come back like?

I think the most likely Champion of the Faith is Lancel Lannister, now that's he's joined the Warrior's Sons. It seems more natural that they would pick someone from one of the militant orders than a novice who happens to be handy with a sword, but hasn't taken any vows (either of brotherhood or knighthood).

But when Lancel or whoever inevitably gets pasted by UnGregor, I want Sandor Clegane to come out of hiding. I think the time on the Quiet Isle will chill him out and give him time to heal up a bit, but for someone as decidedly cynical about the gods and cosmic justice to turn into a Seven-botherer would be pretty disappointing.

[Alexia]

Come on ladies, can't we have some squee-free threads? I appreciate the Hound as much as the next person but a thread or two confined to more serious discussion would be nice! :stunned:

Well, I agree Sansa and Sandor have to meet up, and I think the Mad Mouse is just the bounty hunter to make it happen. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see Ser Shadrich grab Sansa and make a run with her only to find himself in the vicinity of the Quiet Isle and one overlarge gravedigger. From there, I think Sansa is destined to head north with Sandor in tow. The new Lady of Winterfell and her captain of the guard.

I like this idea, very much. I'm not so sure as to the likeliness of it taking place, given certain logistical troubles that Ser Shadrich faces in kidnapping the Lord Protector's daughter, and I think that the Blackfish is going to show up pretty soon and Sansa will find herself heir to another great estate and with a properly protective uncle to get rid of her current nasty guardian. But I feel 100% certain that Sansa and Sandor are going to meet again, there is way too much unresolved tension between them and that kiss is leading up to something...

Why else would our Mad Mouse have been introduced, if not to kidnap her? I want another Sansa chapter! :tantrum:

I think the most likely Champion of the Faith is Lancel Lannister, now that's he's joined the Warrior's Sons. It seems more natural that they would pick someone from one of the militant orders than a novice who happens to be handy with a sword, but hasn't taken any vows (either of brotherhood or knighthood).

But when Lancel or whoever inevitably gets pasted by UnGregor, I want Sandor Clegane to come out of hiding. I think the time on the Quiet Isle will chill him out and give him time to heal up a bit, but for someone as decidedly cynical about the gods and cosmic justice to turn into a Seven-botherer would be pretty disappointing.

I think for sure Lancel will be the champion of the Faith, I don't think the High Septon has any clue that Sandor is tucked away in a monastery (and even knowing he's innocent, he'll still try to take him up on charges) but I think that his ultimate role has to tie into Sansa in some way. I favor the theory that unGreg is going to be sent after Sansa and Sandor will come out of retirement for her.

[The Blue Bard]

I don't believe Sandor would become some holy champion. I can, however, see him riding off for one last battle when he finds out his detested brother has somehow evaded death and is now some sort of abomination

[brashcandy]

SHAMELESS :lol:

But that's probably why the thread exploded to three pages in like three hours. ;)

Correction: 5 pages hehe

Oooh another Sandor thread! Yipee, yup, the Sisterhoos is shameless :)

[FacelessGirl]

Oooh another Sandor thread! Yipee, yup, the Sisterhoos is shameless :)

I know it be easy as shit to hijack this thread, but Alexia asked nicely if we could save it for the Appreciation one. What do you say, sisters? :)

[brashcandy]

Well, I agree Sansa and Sandor have to meet up, and I think the Mad Mouse is just the bounty hunter to make it happen. Wouldn't surprise me at all to see Ser Shadrich grab Sansa and make a run with her only to find himself in the vicinity of the Quiet Isle and one overlarge gravedigger. From there, I think Sansa is destined to head north with Sandor in tow. The new Lady of Winterfell and her captain of the guard.

This is a great theory. I mentioned on another thread that Sansa will learn that knights have to be used, not revered, and I think the Mad Mouse is the only one there that she can use to get out of her predicament. I'm not quite sure if she'll just head down the Valley and hook up with Sandor though, although it would be grand. We all know how much GRRM loves misdirected destinations. People always set out to go somewhere, and end up in a totally different place.

Sandor and Sansa will meet up though, and I'm also very much against Sandor joining the Faith. It just would not suit his character.

[brashcandy]

I know it be easy as shit to hijack this thread, but Alexia asked nicely if we could save it for the Appreciation one. What do you say, sisters? :)

:) I love lexi, and I'm sure we had no intention of hijacking the thread. In fact, I gave a very serious response just now. Our SAT shall remain our shrieking place.

[littlespider]

I think for sure Lancel will be the champion of the Faith, I don't think the High Septon has any clue that Sandor is tucked away in a monastery (and even knowing he's innocent, he'll still try to take him up on charges) but I think that his ultimate role has to tie into Sansa in some way. I favor the theory that unGreg is going to be sent after Sansa and Sandor will come out of retirement for her.

Agree with you on Lance, though last we saw him, I don't think the poor kid has a chance of standing up to UnGreg.

Bear with me for a moment, though, while I wax speculative about the role the QI might play. In the References/Homages thread, someone suggested that the QI might be based on Mont St. Michel, a monastery in Normandy on a tidal island that's only reachable when the tide is down. Not sure about the presence of mud flats, though (someone who's been there will know better than me). I think this reference is quite possible, though I've also heard (not sure where) that Lindisfarne is another potential inspiration.

<geek schtick>There's a classic episode in the various versions of the King Arthur stories that involves the Mont Saint-Michel island and monastery. Arthur has decided to depart England on a little jaunt to destroy the entire Roman Empire. On his way there he stops off in Brittany, where he gets word that a horrible giant has kidnapped the beautiful Duchess of Brittany and taken her to Mont Saint-Michel. So Arthur makes a detour to the island and climbs the hill with one or two of his buddy knights. There he finds the Duchess's elderly nurse, who has been raped by the giant and is weeping for the lovely young Duchess. The Duchess has also been raped and in addition the giant has killed her. Some versions of the story are especially gruesome in that they detail that the Duchess has been split in two when the huge giant rapes her (awful, gross, horrifying). So Arthur heads further up the mountain and fights the giant in an awesome and epic battle. Arthur almost dies in the fight, but in the end prevails and builds a cairn on top of the mountain for the deceased Duchess.

Then, of course, he goes on to conquer and war-monger his way through the rest of Europe. </geek schtick>

Of course if Martin is using the MSM monastery and island as an inspiration, he may just be using it as a setting, or he may not know or not necessarily build on this reference at all. But I was struck by the giant (who's sometimes just a violent, murdering, ultra-large neighboring king and sometimes a massive cannibal who roasts babies on spits), the epic battle, and the sadly failed attempt at the rescue of an innocent girl. We already tend to do a lot of plot speculation in these discussions, so I thought I'd throw it out there. Maybe it points ahead to some serious showdown at the Quiet Isle, though I really (really) hope it ends more happily!

On the other hand, if the QI monastery is based on Lindisfarne, the outlook for those monks isn't so good either, since Lindisfarne was sacked by the Vikings multiple times. Ironmen, anyone?

Now I would just be really sad if the QI gets destroyed, either by a Gregor-giant-thing or being sacked. It was seriously a wonderful place. Nice little oasis in the midst of the storm.

(Sorry for the Arthurian hijack; I took a class in this stuff in college and just get really geeked about it.)

[Été]

:stunned: Holy crap. After all the sticky sexual situations she's been in during this series, Sansa better not get raped to death by UnGregor. Most unpleasant death ever.

(The Hound would definitely kill the shit out Gregor after that though, no question.)

ETA: On a geek note, in case you're wondering, Mont St-Michel and its Cornish copycat St Michael's Mount were both reachable by land bridges at low tide. Causeways have been built in the intervening centuries but they're both still islands at high tide. :thumbsup:

[FacelessGirl]

:stunned: Holy crap. After all the sticky sexual situations she's been in during this series, Sansa better not get raped to death by UnGregor. Most unpleasant death ever.

(The Hound would definitely kill the shit out Gregor after that though, no question.)

ETA: On a geek note, in case you're wondering, Mont St-Michel and its Cornish copycat St Michael's Mount were both reachable by land bridges at low tide. Causeways have been built in the intervening centuries but they're both still islands at high tide. :thumbsup:

Wow. That was a visual I did NOT want. :wideeyed:

[littlespider]

:stunned: Holy crap. After all the sticky sexual situations she's been in during this series, Sansa better not get raped to death by UnGregor. Most unpleasant death ever.

(The Hound would definitely kill the shit out Gregor after that though, no question.)

ETA: On a geek note, in case you're wondering, Mont St-Michel and its Cornish copycat St Michael's Mount were both reachable by land bridges at low tide. Causeways have been built in the intervening centuries but they're both still islands at high tide. :thumbsup:

Yeah, no. While George doesn't shy away from rape, I don't think he would include something as awful as that. Some of the Arthurian authors out there are really sick fvcks (I'm talking about the ones from the 1300s). It's also in this same version that Arthur finds the giant on top of the mountain roasting babies on a spit. Charming, that.

It just suggests the possibility of an interesting confluence of events: everybody's expecting the giant/Sansa encounter, everybody's expecting (or hoping) that Sandor and she will meet up again, and that he'll heroically save her, and here we have this weird little island that has a story of an attempted rescue of a victimized girl from a giant, in a place that's similar to the Quiet Isle. Anyoen remember if the Quiet Isle had a mountaintop or hill? Something tells me no.

Land-bridges, huh. Thanks for the geek note! :)

We all know how much GRRM loves misdirected destinations. People always set out to go somewhere, and end up in a totally different place.

This is definitely right! So in another scenario, when/if they meet up again, it'll be in a totally unexpected place. That'd be just the sort of thing that Martin might do.

[Alexia]

Sansa has a fair bit of plot armor. After Tyrion, we should all know that she is not going to be raped. Besides, I think GRRM draws a line at writing a rape from the POV of the victim.

I'll admit that I like the Mad Mouse getting Sansa and Sandor together because it is one of the few ways in which I can see the characters finally sleeping together. Which is my end goal...at least one time.

[littlespider]

Sansa has a fair bit of plot armor. After Tyrion, we should all know that she is not going to be raped. Besides, I think GRRM draws a line at writing a rape from the POV of the victim.

Definitely agree on this, and I have to say that despite some of my issues with Martin's writing regarding women/sex/violence and what have you, this is one of the things I admire about him, that he does draw the line like this.