[ADwD Spoilers]Daario Noharis

[fuelpagan]

WTF? So now it's the Blackfyres who stole Aegon and made him be a sellsword? You are totally fabricating this. If Aegon is alive, he was smuggled out of the country by Varys... who else had the means to do it at that point in the war? Why would Varys or anyone go through all the trouble of getting him out, replacing the babies, letting Elia and Rhaenys die, and then make him be a sellsword? And why would these incredibly stupid people be Targaryens?

So you're one of those that thinks author just adds long explanations of who the Blackfyres where and how they came to be for no reason other than to waste ink. The theory is Young Griff is fake. I'll argue that elsewhere, not here. Who would likely want to steal Aegons claim. The Blackfyres. TO PUT A BLACKFYRE CHILD IN THE PLACE OF AEGONS CLAIM TO THE THRONE.

If you're hung up on Young Griff truly being Aegon, I can't help you.

He has to be a teenager to be Aegon, and why would you assume Jorah or Barristan are expecting to see a particular thing? Jorah in particular is looking for any negative thing to say, yet age is not mentioned.

Just because he is a teenager doesn't mean he looks like one. If you could tell age just by looking at someone, we wouldn't need to card for tobacco and beer.

Bronn was not a hedgeknight. He was a lowborn sellsword whom people paid to escort them in dangerous territory. He became a lord due to his service to the Lannisters. Dunk was a hedge knight and a squire to an actual knight. There is no mention of a formal apprenticeship to be a sellsword.

Hedgeknight, sellsword, who cares. It's a company of men who make plenty of money as hired help. They aren't going to scrub their own mail if they don't have to. They'll get a young lad, offer to feed him and train him to perform the services of a squire. I just read it the other night about apprenticing. If I find it again I'll quote it.

No. I reread the passage. She says, "His eyes look almost purple." She is just fantasizing about Daario somehow being a legitimate object for her love. It's wishful thinking, not evidence.

Now read the one about Young Griff when his hair is dyed blue. It's pretty much the same thing.

Yeah, it's important to show how Dany is longing for a way to love Daario righteously, but it's simply unrealistic teenage rationalizing.

That doesn't seem important at all. Why bother even subjecting us too it?

Why the hell would the Blackfyres get Aegon out of Westeros? Only to send him to his death? This makes no sense whatsoever.

So the idea Varys might be working for the Blackfyres never crossed your mind. Guess it wouldn't.

So that Jon Connington would know Aegon survived. If Jon Connington can't say he helped with the rescue, then Aegon's claim is based on Varys whom no one trusts.

If gambling weren't illegal I'd be willing to make a sizable bet that Daario Naharis is not Aegon Targaryen.

Damn.

[Tyroshi Sellsword]

So you're saying Jon being Lord Commander at age 15-16 makes perfect sense, but no way Daario could possibly be 16-17 and be where he is. Come on. Give me a break.

And this fact, Jon's age, is bought up over and over. Daario's age is never brought up. This would indicate that it's a non-issue.

But since you and Tyroshi Sellsword refuse to read the thread, I'll quote myself.

I have read every godforsaken word of this thread. I have yet to hear your theory on how or why the Blackfyres would save Aegon only to send him off to death as a sellsword.

This is not about me shipping Dany and Daario. I don't like this match. I really don't. If Daario does end up being Aegon, I hope to the Flying Spaghetti Monster that they don't get married. I look at the clues, consider the possibilities and if GRRM is leaving an opening, I consider both avenues as viable options for the author.

You are failing to recognize the context of Daario's eye color being mentioned. It is not stated by an objective narrator. It's Dany, looking at his eyes and wishing they were purple so hard that she almost sees it. That's not proof of anything.

[Tyroshi Sellsword]

So you're one of those that thinks author just adds long explanations of who the Blackfyres where and how they came to be for no reason other than to waste ink. The theory is Young Griff is fake. I'll argue that elsewhere, not here. Who would likely want to steal Aegons claim. The Blackfyres. TO PUT A BLACKFYRE CHILD IN THE PLACE OF AEGONS CLAIM TO THE THRONE.

THEN WHY NOT KILL THE REAL AEGON???? Or just let Gregor Clegane kill him. Why smuggle him out of the country? Just please explain that to me.

Just because he is a teenager doesn't mean he looks like one. If you could tell age just by looking at someone, we wouldn't need to card for tobacco and beer.

You could certainly tell someone was young by looking at them, yet NO ONE comments on Daario's relative youth. No one.

Hedgeknight, sellsword, who cares. It's a company of men who make plenty of money as hired help.

You obviously don't, but I think there is a big difference between Ser Dunk and Bronn, and both would object to being compared to each other. VERY different value systems. VERY different jobs.

They aren't going to scrub their own mail if they don't have to. They'll get a young lad, offer to feed him and train him to perform the services of a squire. I just read it the other night about apprenticing. If I find it again I'll quote it.

Did Bronn have a squire? What about Shagga? Hmmm. Wonder why they didn't have a squire but SER Dunk did...

Now read the one about Young Griff when his hair is dyed blue. It's pretty much the same thing.

That doesn't seem important at all. Why bother even subjecting us too it?

Why did GRRM subject us to any of Dany's pathetic drooling over Daario? To show that she's a horny teenage girl who wishes her inappropriate lowborn lover were a Targaryen so she could marry him. Maybe he's a Blackfyre. Maybe he's just a guy with blue eyes that is being mooned over by an adolescent girl.

So the idea Varys might be working for the Blackfyres never crossed your mind. Guess it wouldn't.

WORKING for the Blackfyres would not preclude him from killing a baby Aegon on their behalf. It's not kinslaying then. That never crossed your mind. Guess it wouldn't./

So that Jon Connington would know Aegon survived. If Jon Connington can't say he helped with the rescue, then Aegon's claim is based on Varys whom no one trusts.

Jon Connington IS taking Varys and Illyrio's word that Aegon is really Aegon. There is no need for the real Aegon to be running around as a sellsword. Just have a fake. Kill the real one. End of story.

[dondiscounto]

Beard 2

I think he's the 25 year old. Which one is 15?

[Tall Tyrion Lannister!]

I would RAGE if this happens.

[iamthedave]

Fuelpagan, your resilience is admirable, but after eight pages, this still seems the single feeblest theory I've read on these boards that isn't Jaqen H'Ghar = every major character in the series.

The timing is impossible, he's simply too old. There's no way, no how you can get around that. Dany's age is constantly made an issue, Jon's age is constantly made an issue. Nobody talks about that prodigious sixteen year old sellsword who's bedded hundreds of whores and murdered hundreds of men.

[Tall Tyrion Lannister!]

If Daario were a young person, i think it would be brought up. It's brought up a lot that Jon is only 17 or 18 during ADWD, so Aegon would have to be around the same age. Young Griff fits that age range.

[Tyroshi Sellsword]

I will post a video of me eating one of my shoes if Daario = Aegon.

[Chocolate_dream]

Dario > Young Griff

I like this theory simply because it's so unexpected.

Daario Naharis has a beard which could hide his true age. He's also led a much harsher life than Jon or Dany which explain why he doesn't look as young.

[fuelpagan]

I think he's the 25 year old. Which one is 15?

Beards 1 and 2 claim to be 19. Beard 3 is claiming to be 16.

So the correct answer is none of them are 25.

My point is you expected one to be 25, because I alluded to one of them being 25. That is how seeing what you expect to see influences what you actually see.

[Andeimir]

:bowdown: Greatest troll ever

[fuelpagan]

Please keep in mind I'm using inductive reasoning, that in no way means I'm saying this is what happened, just that these are possibilities.

THEN WHY NOT KILL THE REAL AEGON???? Or just let Gregor Clegane kill him. Why smuggle him out of the country? Just please explain that to me.

You smuggle Aegon out of the country with someone who's honor is unquestionable. In Tyrion's chapter with Young Griff, Tyrion doesn't seem to be buying that Jon Connington wasn't part of the rescue as Young Griff is claiming it was just Varys. This allows for Connington to stand in front of the Realm and honestly say he knows Aegon didn't die in King's Landing as Tywin claims.

Then while Jon C is away, you make the switch with a Blackfyre child. Just as Gilly did with the two boys. The wetnurse starts calling the other child prince and by the time Jon C returns, everyone is calling the fake Aegon prince.

So what to do with the true Aegon.

Option 1: Kill him.

Option 2: Send him off and let fate decide if he lives or dies.

If these aren't the Blackfyres then definitely option 1. If these are the Blackfyres, option 1 would be kinslaying, option 2 wouldn't.

And I'm not saying Gregor didn't kill the real Aegon. The path of reasoning is still viable as well. I just find it unlikely knowing Varys knows no one trusts him. Having it said Varys made the rescue alone would hurt the credibility of Aegon's claim.

You could certainly tell someone was young by looking at them, yet NO ONE comments on Daario's relative youth. No one.

Nope. When I was 17 there where a couple of guys who bought beer for us and never got carded. Just as there are actors who are older but able to play teenage characters. The look of a 25 year old and one of a 17 year old is not always noticable. Throw a beard on them, even less so.

You obviously don't, but I think there is a big difference between Ser Dunk and Bronn, and both would object to being compared to each other. VERY different value systems. VERY different jobs.

This has nothing to do with their value system or their jobs. Simply the fact that as a fighter there are certain chores that must be done. Sharpen the sword, clean rust off the mail, cook dinner, fetch water, etc. Bronn was out of work and on his own. The Storm Crows are a regular company with steady work. Why do all those chores on your own if you have the money to hire some brat to do it for you, while you go visit the brothel?

Did Bronn have a squire? What about Shagga? Hmmm. Wonder why they didn't have a squire but SER Dunk did...

Did Bronn have one after he was knighted? No. Does that mean Shagga cooked his own meals and sharpened his own Ax? Maybe, maybe not. Seems to me Tyrion would make sure the basic needs are covered so they can actually perform the duties Tyrion wants them to. Just because they don't drag them to meetings with Tyrion, doesn't mean Shagga and Bronn do everything themselves.

Why did GRRM subject us to any of Dany's pathetic drooling over Daario? To show that she's a horny teenage girl who wishes her inappropriate lowborn lover were a Targaryen so she could marry him. Maybe he's a Blackfyre. Maybe he's just a guy with blue eyes that is being mooned over by an adolescent girl.

He could have got the same point acrossed with someone who did not dye their hair and has green eyes.

WORKING for the Blackfyres would not preclude him from killing a baby Aegon on their behalf. It's not kinslaying then. That never crossed your mind. Guess it wouldn't./

Why it sure did cross my mind. Then I noticed, Varys shaves his head just as Egg does. And not once does anyone mention the color of his eyes. And Barristan says the downfall of Aerys started when Varys came to court.

I don't know...maybe Varys is a Blackfyre. He probably isn't really a eunuch either.

Jon Connington IS taking Varys and Illyrio's word that Aegon is really Aegon. There is no need for the real Aegon to be running around as a sellsword. Just have a fake. Kill the real one. End of story.

Varys word. The word no one trusts. And what is Jon Connington going to say when asked how does he know this is Aegon and not just some kid with silver hair and purple eye? Varys says it's the truth. The singers are going to love that one.

I'm in no way saying there needs to be a real Aegon running around as a sellsword. I'm simply saying it is a possibility.

[Sword in the Morning]

Daario is a tool. Drop this foolishness.

[fuelpagan]

Fuelpagan, your resilience is admirable, but after eight pages, this still seems the single feeblest theory I've read on these boards that isn't Jaqen H'Ghar = every major character in the series.

The timing is impossible, he's simply too old. There's no way, no how you can get around that. Dany's age is constantly made an issue, Jon's age is constantly made an issue. Nobody talks about that prodigious sixteen year old sellsword who's bedded hundreds of whores and murdered hundreds of men.

Well thanks for your consideration.

But Jon and Dany are constantly being questioned because their ages are known. Daario's vague answers about his age could be to avoid having his age being made an issue. If everyone thinks he is older than he is, Daario isn't going to say, "No I'm really only 17." Didn't Pod try and add a few years to his age when joining with Brienne? Brienne didn't buy it. But whomever Daario joined up with may have not cared about his true age. Grow a beard, change companies a couple of times, and start avoid answering the age question. Soon no one truly knows how old you are and you can boast anything you want.

If we had seen Daario around someone who actually has known Daario for a while, their reaction (or lack of one) to these claims might mean something. The lack of a reaction from strangers to him means nothing.

[fuelpagan]

Dario > Young Griff

I like this theory simply because it's so unexpected.

Daario Naharis has a beard which could hide his true age. He's also led a much harsher life than Jon or Dany which explain why he doesn't look as young.

Thank you.

Daario is a tool. Drop this foolishness.

Way to contribute to the discussion, but I think I'll continue. If you think it is foolishness, then there is no reason for you to join the discussion now is there.

[Sword in the Morning]

Let me put it this way: your supporting evidence is that Dany had sex with him, therefore he should ride dragons, therefore he's a Targaryen.

You do not take into account:

Appearances - no Targaryen-like qualities

Age - It has to fit a timeline--you merely dismiss age saying "we don't know" and then count that as a bonus for your argument.

Reasons for Where He Is - How would Aegon have gotten to be a sellsword? What kind of idiot of a schemer would take their golden egg and place it somewhere that it's VERY likely to die? Hell, even your allies are dangerous in a sellsword troop.

Daario is a tool - He's the equivalent of trailer trash. We don't see any inherent "nobility" in him, nor do we see Targaryen madness. We just see a sellsword with a golden tooth that Dany wanted to bone because she's a silly girl who likes bad boys.

[dondiscounto]

Beards 1 and 2 claim to be 19. Beard 3 is claiming to be 16.

So the correct answer is none of them are 25.

My point is you expected one to be 25, because I alluded to one of them being 25. That is how seeing what you expect to see influences what you actually see.

To be honest, none of them looked 25 to me. I just guessed on good faith that you were being earnest, presuming that despite the odds you weren't a troll.

In any case, since you lied about their ages the first time, why the hell would I believe you about their ages now?

[fuelpagan]

Has no one here ever seen the movie "Catch me if you can?" Where a 16 year old kid posed as an airline pilot, then at 17 pretended to be a Doctor. That was based on a true story. And he didn't even have a beard.

To be honest, none of them looked 25 to me. I just guessed on good faith that you were being earnest, presuming that despite the odds you weren't a troll.

In any case, since you lied about their ages the first time, why the hell would I believe you about their ages now?

Where did I lie?

The question was, tell me who the 25 year old is? I never once said one of these guys is 25. Authors do this all the time. Learn to spot these tricks and you will be better for it.

Now that you know there ages, you see their youth. Before when there ages where unknown, you guessed on good faith that beard 2 could be 25. That is no different then what happens all the time. Just because Daario is alluded to being older, doesn't make it fact.

[dondiscounto]

Has no one here ever seen the movie "Catch me if you can?" Where a 16 year old kid posed as an airline pilot, then at 17 pretended to be a Doctor. That was based on a true story. And he didn't even have a beard.

It helps when you're being played by someone who is 28. :-)

[fuelpagan]

Let me put it this way: your supporting evidence is that Dany had sex with him, therefore he should ride dragons, therefore he's a Targaryen.

You do not take into account:

Appearances - no Targaryen-like qualities

Age - It has to fit a timeline--you merely dismiss age saying "we don't know" and then count that as a bonus for your argument.

Reasons for Where He Is - How would Aegon have gotten to be a sellsword? What kind of idiot of a schemer would take their golden egg and place it somewhere that it's VERY likely to die? Hell, even your allies are dangerous in a sellsword troop.

Daario is a tool - He's the equivalent of trailer trash. We don't see any inherent "nobility" in him, nor do we see Targaryen madness. We just see a sellsword with a golden tooth that Dany wanted to bone because she's a silly girl who likes bad boys.

Appearances - Targs are known for having silver hair and purple eyes. Daario keeps his hair dyed and eyes are blue / almost purple. Just as Tyrion discribes Young Griff's eyes when his hair is dyed blue. If you know of any other Targ traits I would be glad to hear of them.

Age - if you know where it doesn't fit the timeline, please share. If a 16 year old kid could trick people into thinking he is an Airline pilot in real life...I don't see a 17 year old kid with a beard pretending to be older that big of a stretch. It's like none of you ever faked an ID to get into a club, or buy beer. It happens all the time.

Reasons for where he is - To get him killed without being resposible for killing him. Basically I see the Blackfyres trying to use Young Griff to steal the throne and they wouldn't kill the Real Aegon and risk the curse of being a kinslayer. Essentially, whoever placed him there was hoping he would die.

Daario is a tool - Well Sansa was a whiny girl, Jaime was a child crippling bastard, look where they ended up. If he is Aegon, Daario doesn't know it.

Look if you're actually curious, I would enjoy continuing the discussion. If you have actual evidence against this theory, please share. If you just want to try and prove me wrong with the same arguments I've already heard, I probably won't respond.