ShadowRaven Posted May 14, 2012 Share Posted May 14, 2012 Pros:- Epic epic epic scene ending, Bran & Rickon Dead.- Loved the Catelyn scenes.Cons:- Looks like show is ending sooner than later.- Was the moment where they killed the 13 of Qarth supposed to be shocking?Your turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Giant Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Con- Bran/Rickon's death was too obviously faked, I really doubt any tv-only viewers havent already figured it out.Con-Jamie the psycho smashing a boys skull 20x over.Pro-All scenes with Cat, Arya, and Tywin.Pro-Sansa getting her period was done really well done, I thought it would be really awkward to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isabella Stark Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 I love that a girl getting her first period is a major plot point!It's that kind of thing that sets these books apart:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikriti Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 pros: sansa period scenepros: 11/13 of the thirteen getting godfathered, good setup for tv viewers to start looking a little deeper into that storylinepros: "you know nothing jon snow"pros: the cat and jaimie scene1/2 pro 1/2 con: jaimie scene killing alton, pro cause it was acted very very well, con cause it makes jaimie look more evil than he should look,i understand maybe the river scene wouldnt have worked for whatever reason but the way he went down didnt seem rightcon: talking about the one armed boy earlier in the episode and then showing the viewers the 2 boys burned one of which had a severed arm, every person i have talked to that has not read the book know that bran and rickon didnt die, this scene failed me a little, you were much more suprised in the book, acted well once again, but its just like, really? its like putting a snip in about what joffery is going to do to ned the night before, annoying, dont really see the point of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faraday Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 PRO: You know nothing, Jon Snow.Pro: Theon Greyjoy. Just in general. The cliffhanger is awkwardish but Alfie Allen is phenomenal. Actually I liked pretty much everything except: CON: Jaime killing Alton because 'lol'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Some Bro from the North Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Pro: Every thing about Theons scenes, he is saving this season for mePro: Mention about the brotherhood without bannerscon: Cersei and tyrion sceneCon: Gregor Clegane in general Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faraday Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Wow, I forgot Gregor. Probably for the best ._. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddard Sand Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 I enjoyed the episode so PRO most everything.CON: Dany is being portrayed as a Aerys/Viserys with teats as opposed to a stunningly beautiful Aegon the Conqueror reborn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince of Dragonstone Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 You know, there really was no way for them to show the Bran/Rickon scene any other way. I don't know how they could have done this without it being a bit of a giveaway. The thing that some people just have to come to terms with is that certain scenes work better in the written form than they do on screen and vice versa. You win some, you lose some.As far as the Jaime scene goes, like I said in other threads, I think it only serves to enhance his upcoming redemption arc. Plus we get the added bonus of a very well acted out scene. It was great, all around. I would hate for there to be absolutely no shocks for me in this series. I love that I got to read the books and STILL the show manages to surprise me sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Giant Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 They needed a "Reek". not Dagmar as a replacement. Plus they gave wayyyyy too much info to the viewer. No boys should have been shown or mentioned at all. They showed Bran and the gang looking at the place deciding whether or not to go, they should have only showed Theon go to that place and next show him at Winterfell with the hanging dead boys. They purposely chose to let everyone in on the deception.Anything is possible when it comes to TV, sometimes you just have to work harder/be more talented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Lannister Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Pros:Jaime getting screentimeAnything Jaime saysJaime and CatJaime and Brienne, little as it wasJaime and Alton before... well, yeahCat's epic comebacksBrienne's "man" line, lawlTyrion almost comforting CerseiTywin and AryaYgritteYgritte's amusing smack talkThe ending scene with Theon, Dagmer and LuwinRoose Bolton getting screentimeRoose Bolton's badass cloak flipCons:Jaime brutally butchering poor Alton for the evulsCersei being defanged completely (there's no middle ground indeed with this character, it seems)No DavosNo StannisTalisa continues to disappointI want my Reek backDany's storyline continues to be pretty mehSandor ostensibly telling the queen about SansaStill not a Shae fanI REALLY want my Reek back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HouseLark Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Pro - everything between Charles Dance and Maisie Williams. I don't care if these scenes are not in the book or that TV!Tywin has more of a rounded character than Book!Tywin, they are so well acted and written that they make excellent TV and that is what's important here.Pro - mention of Visenya and Dark Sister. A nice little throw out to book readers; they should do more of that since it doesn't harm the show but ensures that readers are a bit more satisfied. We also got mention of Balon Swann.Pro - The awkwardness between Cersei and Tyrion. He knew he was meant to comfort her, she knew he was meant to; instead they both looked like they were staring at a cobra that might pounce. Brilliantly acted without a word being said.Pro - Ygritte and Jon. Perfectly done. I'm interested in how they will play out the rest of that arc with the Halfhand.Pro - Pyat Pree. Just a wonderful portrayal, the right amount of bloddlessness and creepy.Pro - Karstark's mention of Robb heading to the Crag with "that foreign whore". This is nice foreshadowing since Robb's actions have been unquestioned and popular so far. His love for Talisa will start to eat into the loyalty of his bannermen together with his reaction to Karstark in the coming episodes. This, in turn, will make it easier to understand how the betrayal will have developed by the end of season four.Con - Dany. I'm bored almost every time she's on screen right now. Hopefully her journey into the House of the Undying will make her arc a bit more interesting.Con - Jaime's kinslaying...Con - No sex scenes. Although there was a lot of violence and gore, I'm European and find it easier to stomach nudity on screen than violence and killing ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bambi Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Pros:Harrenhal overview with Lannisters: awesomeCharles Dance and Maise (altough the proper-properly correction was a bit fail of acting)The slaughtering of the 13 (11, precisely)Personally i liked the "murder of the Stark boys", most casual show-viewers won't figure it outSansa flowering, the actress starts to be greatCons:Psychopathic murder by JaimeQuaithe (she is not a mysterious character anymore... as far as i recall in the books she only appeared at nights and definitely not in public)North of the wal: I really-really HATE these goddamn wastelands. Where are the immense forests?Didn't like the emotional scene between Tyrion and Cersei. Cersei would've never opened herself in such way to Tyrion and wouldn't have spoken with him about the incest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerMixalot Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Pros:Catelyns actingJamie, Brienne and Cat's interactionOsha charming Hodor and RickonSansa's actingConsJon and Ygritte-jon goes from tough son of Ned Stark to whiny wilding's bitchTyrion and Cersei bonding-Last week Cersei is wishing massive pain on Tyrion and next week will whip his lover, yeah lets bond)Tywin and Arya-Great acting, HORRIBLE writingEVERYTHING in ESSOS-Tis boring, going nowhere and clichedJamie killing his cousin-despite all appearances, In book JL is NOT a sociopath, a narcissist yes, a sociopath NOShae doing something out of character, hmm lets see her two previous interactions with Sansa-Gee Sansa you aint better than me and Gee Sansa you are one ignorant fool who doesnt understand why poor hungry people are mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bambi Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 I rewatched the Cersei-Tyrion scene and altough it was far from the original storyline it was massively great-great acting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipsuel Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 (I can never remember all the actor names, so I'm using character names :-))Pro: Arya/Tywin scenes (not realistic, but love 'em nonetheless)Pro: Sansa was great this episode Pro: Theon and the 'death' of Bran and RickonPro: Ygritte (I think she was perfectly cast)Con: Dany (always a con to me)Con: Gregor (really not liking the new one)Con: Jaime killing Alton... so NOT in his character that it was actually comical to meCon: Jon being caught by Wildlings instead of Qhorin sending him over (but I think that's coming)Con: I am having Davos withdrawalPro in general: For the most part, the acting I think is top-notch (except the new Mountain). Hated the Jaime stuff but think he did it wonderfully, so the scene failed for me thru no fault of the actor. The girl playing Sansa blew me away with her depiction this episode... seriously, best cast of young actors anywhere on TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipsuel Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 woops totally forgot...HUGE CON: The Quaithe tattoing party... Seriously? Uh... this character (for me) was taken from mysterious/possibly shady to ridiculous and comical in that scene... seemed so forced: Hey audience... look at this woman wearing a mask and creating cool tattoos--ohhhh that means she is mysterious... it was (imo) just BAD QuoteMultiQuoteEdit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bambi Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 woops totally forgot...HUGE CON: The Quaithe tattoing party... Seriously? Uh... this character (for me) was taken from mysterious/possibly shady to ridiculous and comical in that scene... seemed so forced: Hey audience... look at this woman wearing a mask and creating cool tattoos--ohhhh that means she is mysterious... it was (imo) just BAD QuoteMultiQuoteEditI agree you so much concerning your opinion about Quaithe. D&D totally misinterpreted the character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerMixalot Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 the new gregor reminds me of the knight who says Ni! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerMixalot Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 I agree you so much concerning your opinion about Quaithe. D&D totally misinterpreted the character.yeah, ooooh I am mysterious lady, now wait a second while I dip my paintbrush and paint this guys back oooooooh Spooky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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