Mulled Wino Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Man, poor Jon Snow, he can't even get credit for finding the dragonglass with ghost, AND he now has follow Ygritte around on a chain with her threatening to cut off his balls if he escapes in front of everyone. He got punked repeatedly at Craster's, had to beg to go with the Halfhand, didn't get to kill anyone when they found Ygritte the other watchers (just only took her by suprise), he gets himself lost, then Ygritte makes him look like a child in their banter, and gets led into a trap by Ygritte. They are just killing this poor kid, and by extension Ghost. Ghost is the worst warg partner/guardian direwolf in history right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckwheat Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 You are right about all these, but I cannot even feel sorry for him, because he acts like an incompetent idiot the whole season now. No wonder Ghost has left him, the wolf has more intelligence than Jon.I feel sorry for his story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FRGG Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Haven't even thought about Ghost yet. You're absolutely right.If I recall it right in the books they were about to be caught by the wildlings so Quorin asks Jon to kill him to get their trust. While it seems like he's still going to kill Quorin, he's now also accountable for him getting caught.Let's him look like he's a good-hearted but dumb fella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckwheat Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Welcome to the forums, first-time poster FRGG! Lots of good discussion and try to keep reasonable distance at the heated themes! :cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay Gimp Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Whenever it cuts to Beyond the Wall or Essos this season I groan inside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mulled Wino Posted May 21, 2012 Author Share Posted May 21, 2012 You are right about all these, but I cannot even feel sorry for him, because he acts like an incompetent idiot the whole season now. No wonder Ghost has left him, the wolf has more intelligence than Jon.I feel sorry for his story.Ugh, me too. The dude is the Rodney Dangerfield of beyond the wall. The only way mance would keep this guy is for a fool to entertain his tent or to do funny dances while he sings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckwheat Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Ugh, me too. The dude is the Rodney Dangerfield of beyond the wall. The only way mance would keep this guy is for a fool to entertain his tent or to do funny dances while he signs. Now that is something I would want to see! :PNot in ASOIAF, naturally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mulled Wino Posted May 21, 2012 Author Share Posted May 21, 2012 Haven't even thought about Ghost yet. You're absolutely right.If I recall it right in the books they were about to be caught by the wildlings so Quorin asks Jon to kill him to get their trust. While it seems like he's still going to kill Quorin, he's now also accountable for him getting caught.Let's him look like he's a good-hearted but dumb fella.He's a boob. I place a lot of blame on Ghost though. Ghost is doing absolutely nothing. Jon needs a new direwolf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanette Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 D&D must really hate Jon, otherwise I have no idea why would they butcher his storyline and his character like this. It's just sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mulled Wino Posted May 21, 2012 Author Share Posted May 21, 2012 Whenever it cuts to Beyond the Wall or Essos this season I groan insideThey cant even get any real drama kicked up at the fist, i mean, they best they could do was a manhole cover they randomly found while digging a pisser? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mulled Wino Posted May 21, 2012 Author Share Posted May 21, 2012 Now that is something I would want to see! :PNot in ASOIAF, naturally.Of course not. I request no changes in asoiaf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckwheat Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Of course not. I request no changes in asoiaf.Only the changes that make sense.However, they have proved that they are prone to making changes that do not make sensa at all. So, yeah, better without changes than we see mostly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSwordOfTheEvening Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 They cant even get any real drama kicked up at the fist, i mean, they best they could do was a manhole cover they randomly found while digging a pisser? Well what other reason would they have for digging in order to find the dagger? Dont forget, it becomes very important for Sammy later on.And drama at the fist will come...be patient Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Meeraculous Third Reed Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 The writers really are sacrificing short term drama with Jon (the Craster stalking, the Ygritte chase) for long term character development. Considering how IMO they did this so well in the first season, I find this exceedingly annoying.I would not vote this guy as my next Lord Commander.EDIT: They're sacrificing long term character development for short term drama, not the opposite as my post reads. Durrrr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mulled Wino Posted May 21, 2012 Author Share Posted May 21, 2012 Well what other reason would they have for digging in order to find the dagger? Dont forget, it becomes very important for Sammy later on.And drama at the fist will come...be patientGhost/jon should have found it. Or anything else to make it a tad interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSwordOfTheEvening Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Ghost/jon should have found it.It would've been better i guess, being closer to the book, but how would it have gotten to sam?Almost as soon as they got to the fist, jon leaves with qhorin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mulled Wino Posted May 21, 2012 Author Share Posted May 21, 2012 The writers really are sacrificing short term drama with Jon (the Craster stalking, the Ygritte chase) for long term character development. Considering how IMO they did this so well in the first season, I find this exceedingly annoying.I would not vote this guy as my next Lord Commander.EDIT: They're sacrificing long term character development for short term drama, not the opposite as my post reads. Durrrr.I dont even think the drama was enhanced. The scene with the watchers was far more dramatic in the book as was jon and quorin's "capture". Why on earth make jon beg to go with quorin when quorin actaully selected him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mulled Wino Posted May 21, 2012 Author Share Posted May 21, 2012 It would've been better i guess, being closer to the book, but how would it have gotten to sam?Almost as soon as they got to the fist, jon leaves with qhorinHe could have found it at crasters instead of getting bitchslapped with his own sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Meeraculous Third Reed Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 I dont even think the drama was enhanced. The scene with the watchers was far more dramatic in the book as was jon and quorin's "capture". Why on earth make jon beg to go with quorin when quorin actaully selected him? Oh I agree completely. I think the writers took the approach that Jon's story needed "sexing-up" somewhat, something I think was completely unnecessary. I honestly think the Rangers' attempts to get back to the Fist would make far better drama than the current scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meg Stark Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 I can't decide if it is the scenes that are the problem or possibly the acting? Forgive me if I'm way off but Kit Harington no longer seems like Jon Snow this season. And seriously- where is Ghost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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