Sansa_Stark Posted June 13, 2013 Author Share Posted June 13, 2013 yea being a nights watch man isnt rly fun ... just re read Jon Snow from agotstannis is used to take orders only from Robert and all of the sudden he would be forced totake orders from punks like ser alliser thorneBut he has a duty.And a powerful lord like Stannis wouldn't remain low for long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draco_Dracul Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Maybe, It would have definitely saved Ned as he would have immediately back Renly and would have insured that the Lannister reign would be short and the kingdoms quickly reunited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Tyrell Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 I think so. Stannis was the one who told Jon Arryn his suspicion that Cersei's kids weren't his, so Jon may have never been any the wiser, therefore Jon Arryn would still be alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North_Remembers Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 No, it wouldn't. You know nothing, FOREVERALONE.OK, seriously. No it would not have made a difference. Ned and Stannis would have had to develop a plan together very early and play the game of thrones. But neither man played the game of thrones as everyone else does. They were both to straighforeward. Ned was too driven by Honor and Stannis to driven by Duty. Conspiring together behind closed doors would be considered neither. And unless they worked together from the beginning, Stannis joining the NW would not be seen to prove Joff was not the real king. They still had to convince the major Houses and Lords, and most were already playing the game of thrones so it really would not matter. Everyone would believe what best served their own needs in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sansa_Stark Posted June 15, 2013 Author Share Posted June 15, 2013 No, it wouldn't. You know nothing, FOREVERALONE.OK, seriously. No it would not have made a difference. Ned and Stannis would have had to develop a plan together very early and play the game of thrones. But neither man played the game of thrones as everyone else does. They were both to straighforeward. Ned was too driven by Honor and Stannis to driven by Duty. Conspiring together behind closed doors would be considered neither. And unless they worked together from the beginning, Stannis joining the NW would not be seen to prove Joff was not the real king. They still had to convince the major Houses and Lords, and most were already playing the game of thrones so it really would not matter. Everyone would believe what best served their own needs in the end.Would it have not at least given Ned or Robert more free space to move?If one or both of them died suspiciously people would have almost entirely flocked to Renly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pain Yak Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 so you think Stannis went to Dragonstone to sulk?? Brilliant, nothing like complete ignorance or the textOne of his listed motives for going to Dragonstone was anger that he wasn't chosen as Hand of the King, so yeah, that's part of it. He was assembling an army, too, of course...but telling the actual new Hand of the King Ned Stark nothing about what he had discovered seemingly because of nothing but spite was pretty petty of the man when so much was at stake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Bronn Stokeworth Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 I mean, his whole argument about Robert not believing him if he told was that he would just look like he was trying to gain the throne.But if he went to the wall that doesn't really become an argument now does it?Especially when you consider all his talks about duty and whatnot.He could have sent letters"Cersei's kids are Jaime's bastards. It's true and I'm going to join the watch to show that I am not just going for the crown"Sent letters? You realize the man in charge of the letters is a Lannister lapdog, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sansa_Stark Posted June 15, 2013 Author Share Posted June 15, 2013 Sent letters? You realize the man in charge of the letters is a Lannister lapdog, right?it doesnt have to reach kings landing immediately. he could send 100 letters to random lords like he did in ACOK and eventually news would reach robert. hell he could have sent davos to kls as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sansa_Stark Posted June 15, 2013 Author Share Posted June 15, 2013 more opinions this could potentially disprove any notions that stannis is a just man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djinn Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 more opinions this could potentially disprove any notions that stannis is a just manCarefull, your bias is showing. Quick, tuck it in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light a wight tonight Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 More opinions? OK, your premise is shaky in the extreme.Stannis removing himself from the succession is no guarantee the King Bob would listen to a hard truth. Bob's mentally lazy.No Southron lord takes the Black unless compelled. It's unthinkable. Stannis's thought process is rigidly conventional.Once in the Watch Stannis is forbidden to take part in politics, as part of the Oath.A much simpler solution would have been for Renly to tell Bob. (Scenario: they're sitting around over a few cups of wine and Renly says "Hey, Big Bro, you ever notice how all your bastards look like you and Cersei's kids look like Jaime?") More likely that he would be believed, and he's not next in line for the IT. And it wouldn't muddle the succession like Stannis going North would.Besides which, Ned is set up as the sacrificial lamb, and the whole story hinges on his death. Him surviving turns the story into one of Sansa's romantic fables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sansa_Stark Posted June 15, 2013 Author Share Posted June 15, 2013 More opinions? OK, your premise is shaky in the extreme.Stannis removing himself from the succession is no guarantee the King Bob would listen to a hard truth. Bob's mentally lazy.No Southron lord takes the Black unless compelled. It's unthinkable. Stannis's thought process is rigidly conventional.Once in the Watch Stannis is forbidden to take part in politics, as part of the Oath.A much simpler solution would have been for Renly to tell Bob. (Scenario: they're sitting around over a few cups of wine and Renly says "Hey, Big Bro, you ever notice how all your bastards look like you and Cersei's kids look like Jaime?") More likely that he would be believed, and he's not next in line for the IT. And it wouldn't muddle the succession like Stannis going North would.Besides which, Ned is set up as the sacrificial lamb, and the whole story hinges on his death. Him surviving turns the story into one of Sansa's romantic fables.bob himself doesnt have to listen but someone loyal should at least listen amd tell the man. and renly saying things is just as bad as he may look like he would assassinate stan for the throne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danm_999 Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 it doesnt have to reach kings landing immediately. he could send 100 letters to random lords like he did in ACOK and eventually news would reach robert. hell he could have sent davos to kls as wellErr, not if he's in the Night's Watch he can't.Because I don't see why Mormont and Aemon are going to let him send out their valuable ravens to spam Westeros with letters about twincest, even if he has proof (which, if he follows your advice, he won't). That's super wasteful, and besides; the Watch takes no part.And if he joins the Watch, he relinquishes any ability or right to send Davos to do anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sansa_Stark Posted June 15, 2013 Author Share Posted June 15, 2013 Err, not if he's in the Night's Watch he can't.Because I don't see why Mormont and Aemon are going to let him send out their valuable ravens to spam Westeros with letters about twincest, even if he has proof (which, if he follows your advice, he won't). That's super wasteful, and besides; the Watch takes no part.And if he joins the Watch, he relinquishes any ability or right to send Davos to do anything.before he joins the watch he can do this the letters can say that he accuses joffrey of beinc bastard and fhat hr declarea that he is goi g to the watch sorry for typos im writinf this on muly phone and im drunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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