Could the Knights of the Vale sack the Twins?

[profilebegone]

well whatever plans he may have had might have a wrench thrown in with Aegon's invasion anyway, i feel like the Vale will have to pick a side at some point

The thing about Littlefinger, though, and the thing that makes him such a dangerous player and compelling character, is that he likes wrenches. He feeds on them.

[Blackfish Tully]

Except Littlefinger is still unable to lead any of the Vale's armies so he can't really destroy the Freys.

How hard will it be to gather an army together to destroy the Freys? The Vale Lords were chomping at the bit to get involved in the War of the Five Kings so Littlefinger will have no trouble turning them against the Freys. What better way to unite the Vale then getting them to attack everybody's most hated family.

[Davos' Middle Finger]

I don't think so. Trying to march an army through The Mountains of the Moon in winter, not to mention with the mountain clans stronger than ever, strikes me as a really, really terrible idea.

[Blackfish Tully]

They probably could but not under Petyr for the simple reason that no army on Planetos will ever follow him.

So if Littlefinger calls the Vale Lords together and lays out a great plan for attacking the Twins and it gives the Vale Lords everything they want (whether it's revenge, glory , land or gold) you're telling me they will not follow him out of some kind of spite or something?

[otherbeef]

So if Littlefinger calls the Vale Lords together and lays out a great plan for attacking the Twins and it gives the Vale Lords everything they want (whether it's revenge, glory , land or gold) you're telling me they will not follow him out of some kind of spite or something?

they could remove LF and get all the same thing for themselves

[Light a wight tonight]

Firstly, "sack" isn't the word. It's pretty much a synonym for pillage. Nothing in the body of the OP has any bearing on sacking the Twins.

Second, Littlefinger has little authority in the Vale, title or not. He's there on the sufferance of the Vale Lords, who can pull the plug on him any time.

Third, it would be a long, hard siege to take the Twins at all, even with much of the Frey army in the North. The Twins are very defensible. A siege would leave the Vale shorthanded for its own defense. Military action against a Lannister ally like the Freys might also being intervention by whoever's in charge of the Lannisters. Most of their forces are already in the Riverlands (but they do lack leadership right now).

More likely the Freys will fall to the BwB and Tully and Stark loyalists beginning at RW II.

[Winterz]

How hard will it be to gather an army together to destroy the Freys? The Vale Lords were chomping at the bit to get involved in the War of the Five Kings so Littlefinger will have no trouble turning them against the Freys. What better way to unite the Vale then getting them to attack everybody's most hated family.

It would be very hard. Saying pretty words to Petyr is one thing, but raising an army and wage war for him is a whole different level. They may hate the Freys but they also hate the IT, and you forget that Petyr is allied to the Crown and was put in his position by them. Some Vale lords may be satisfied with Baelish but he knows damn well that if he asks too much, like say..raising an army, then they'll kill him.

[Blackfish Tully]

they could remove LF and get all the same thing for themselves

Why would they remove Littlefinger? he has the support of some of the Lords and he has been working on gaining the support of more of them. He's rich and well connected and very smart and also the Lord Paramount of the Riverlands and I think that the Vale Lords will come around to the belief that in this chaotic time maybe Littlefinger is the best man to lead them.

[Bright Blue Eyes]

Third, it would be a long, hard siege to take the Twins at all, even with much of the Frey army in the North. The Twins are very defensible. A siege would leave the Vale shorthanded for its own defense. Military action against a Lannister ally like the Freys might also being intervention by whoever's in charge of the Lannisters. Most of their forces are already in the Riverlands (but they do lack leadership right now).

More likely the Freys will fall to the BwB and Tully and Stark loyalists beginning at RW II.

The Vale outnumbers the remaining Freys in the Riverlands at least 20:1 though. Sending a small army would suffice.

Furthermore, LF is the Lord Paramount of the Riverlands. The Freys owe him fealthy - and are already in conflict with him, Emmon Frey talking as if he's the Lord Paramount and all that. LF would be responsible for punishing the Freys should they step out of line. Something he could easily arrange.

I agree on the RW 2.0 though, but LF taking action against the Freys is definitely possible.

[Melisandre's Shadow]

It would be very hard. Saying pretty words to Petyr is one thing, but raising an army and wage war for him is a whole different level. They may hate the Freys but they also hate the IT, and you forget that Petyr is allied to the Crown and was put in his position by them. Some Vale lords may be satisfied with Baelish but he knows damn well that if he asks too much, like say..raising an army, then they'll kill him.

I think it will be easier to follow a young hopeful ward married to the heir of Winterfell though

[Davos' Middle Finger]

Second, Littlefinger has little authority in the Vale, title or not. He's there on the sufferance of the Vale Lords, who can pull the plug on him any time.

No they can't. The Lords Declarant tried and failed to pull the plug on him in Feast, and since then Littlefinger has won several of them over to his side.

[The Prince of Ice]

Militarily yes because they have way more numbers and resources than the Freys but i highly doubt the Vale is gonna aid in the fight against the Freys, thats a Stark debt to be paid not an Arryns. Also im thinking no ones gonna attack the Twins, Walder is just gonna sit on his bridge while he sees his family die all around him. Finally he will die most likely at the Red Wedding 2.0 by the Blackfish stabbing him in the heart and saying "The Young Wolf sends his regards"

[Blackfish Tully]

Firstly, "sack" isn't the word. It's pretty much a synonym for pillage. Nothing in the body of the OP has any bearing on sacking the Twins.

Second, Littlefinger has little authority in the Vale, title or not. He's there on the sufferance of the Vale Lords, who can pull the plug on him any time.

Third, it would be a long, hard siege to take the Twins at all, even with much of the Frey army in the North. The Twins are very defensible. A siege would leave the Vale shorthanded for its own defense. Military action against a Lannister ally like the Freys might also being intervention by whoever's in charge of the Lannisters. Most of their forces are already in the Riverlands (but they do lack leadership right now).

More likely the Freys will fall to the BwB and Tully and Stark loyalists beginning at RW II.

The Lords Declerant tried to throw Littlefinger out and he defeated them pretty easily so I do not think that they could "pull the plug on him any time"

Littlefinger is Lord Paramount of the Riverlands and if he decides to get rid of the Freys then that is his prerogative and he has a better relationship with the Lannisters and Tyrells then the Freys do so he should have no trouble getting them on his side.

[Winterz]

Militarily yes because they have way more numbers and resources than the Freys but i highly doubt the Vale is gonna aid in the fight against the Freys, thats a Stark debt to be paid not an Arryns. Also im thinking no ones gonna attack the Twins, Walder is just gonna sit on his bridge while he sees his family die all around him. Finally he will die most likely at the Red Wedding 2.0 by the Blackfish stabbing him in the heart and saying "The Young Wolf sends his regards"

Why so complicated? It is known that once Walder dies, the family will shatter, each wanting a piece for each other and I imagine the armies will shatter too. With all their family in their own chaos and splitted they'll be very easy to destroy. So basically, they only have to kill Walder Frey, who is the only one who makes it all united.

[otherbeef]

Why would they remove Littlefinger? he has the support of some of the Lords and he has been working on gaining the support of more of them. He's rich and well connected and very smart and also the Lord Paramount of the Riverlands and I think that the Vale Lords will come around to the belief that in this chaotic time maybe Littlefinger is the best man to lead them.

They already despise him, That is reason enough. But if Harry the Heir does rule the Vale though, LF is useless to them as he would not be needed as a regent and the Waynwoods and Bronze Yohn already have influence over Harry, why give it up? If they really thought that highly of LF and his connections they could choose to keep him around in some lesser capacity, but obviously LF has higher ambitions than that.

[Davos' Middle Finger]

They already despise him, That is reason enough. But if Harry the Heir does rule the Vale though, LF is useless to them as he would not be needed as a regent and the Waynwoods and Bronze Yohn already have influence over Harry, why give it up? If they really thought that highly of LF and his connections they could choose to keep him around in some lesser capacity, but obviously LF has higher ambitions than that.

The Waynwoods belong to Littlefinger now, otherwise they would have never agreed to marry Harry to the girl they think is LF's bastard daughter.

[armidil0]

Just want to interject this post by Tze about LF and the Vale. Good read.

[The Prince of Ice]

Why so complicated? It is known that once Walder dies, the family will shatter, each wanting a piece for each other and I imagine the armies will shatter too. With all their family in their own chaos and splitted they'll be very easy to destroy. So basically, they only have to kill Walder Frey, who is the only one who makes it all united.

Why so complicated you ask? Its written by GRRM thats why but IMO Walder Frey prides himself on his large family i just would love to see it burn all around him and then he dies. Hoping the same thing for Cersei. Also if Walder Frey only died im pretty sure his family would want revenge, may sound like Tywin here but its better you kill your enemies before they have a chance to kill you.

[otherbeef]

The Waynwoods belong to Littlefinger now, otherwise they would have never agreed to marry Harry to the girl they think is LF's bastard daughter.

the point is LF isn't as in control as he thinks and that the other Lords in the Vale know what is happening with Sansa, etc.

EDIT: The link above provides a good explanation

[Hodor's Assistant]

I think it will be easier to follow a young hopeful ward married to the heir of Winterfell though

Agreed. With Harry and Sansa littlefinger can pull the strings for the north, the vale and the riverlands all with lannister backing. Take out the Freys and all of a sudden all 3 of those kingdoms think he is a hero. Once you have that, take the largest army in westeros south and sit yourself on the throne. Even marry a tyrelle or martell once you are there and the realm is yours.