TheGreatstag Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 Bronze Yohn Royce was friends with Eddard StarkEddard Stark was fostered in the Vale, so may have had more close friends among current LordsBronze Yohn Royce wanted to join Robb's alliance, but was stopped by Tully. If the Vale had joined the war, the Lannisters would have stood little chance.The Vale seems to have a number of Lords who have a sense of honor, and have armies to go with their honorThe Waynwoods are marrying a child they fostered to a StarkLittlefinger is trying to arrange for the Lady of the Vale to be a Stark, and hence mobilise the Vale's forces to the NorthIf they march up the Green Fork they will pass near the TwinsCould justice for the Freys be delivered by the unlikely source of...Littlefinger and his armies from the Vale?Edited to Add (copy-pasted bits from a post I made later which fleshes out the theory):Littlefinger is also LP of the Riverlands. LPs are allowed to control their own vassals.The Iron Throne - particularly if it is now run by Tyrells - must be aware that they need to distance themselves from the toxic effects of the Freys. If a Lord Paramount is acting against his own bannermen and trying to eliminate the Freys and has possession of one of the few armies that were untouched by the war, the Iron Throne will have to let it go. They don't have the strength or political desire to protect the Freys.LF could promise them the prompt return of any hostages, potentially including the sons of Lords of the Riverlands and North. LF knows that he is the Lord Paramount of the Riverlands in name only at this stage. For him to gain any strength from that position, he needs a show of good will that will bring is vassals to his side.Littlefinger becomes the hero of the Riverlands (also recall he was fostered in Riverrun), the Vale (where he is building allies) and the North (as he is fighting for Sansa Stark's birthright and avenged the Young Wolf. Whoever destroys the Freys actually gets considerable political advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 The Waynwoods are marrying a child they fostered to a StarkNo, they are not. They are marrying Harry for LF's gdaughter, Alayne. As far as they know, Alayne is just a bastard. Sansa's identity hasn't been revealed and is planned to become public knowledge at the weddingAs for idea, I doubt it will happen... I don't think Vale Knights will march North any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatstag Posted June 27, 2013 Author Share Posted June 27, 2013 No, they are not. They are marrying Harry for LF's gdaughter, Alayne. As far as they know, Alayne is just a bastard. Sansa's identity hasn't been revealed and is planned to become public knowledge at the weddingAs for idea, I doubt it will happen... I don't think Vale Knights will march North any time soon.I may be wrong, but I thought they do know but are keeping it secret. I never imagined they would be OK about marrying Harry the Heir to a bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 I may be wrong, but I thought they do know but are keeping it secret. I never imagined they would be OK about marrying Harry the Heir to a bastard.They don't. LF offered to help them with their debts, and in exchange he wanted bethrotal between Alayne and Harry. Waynwoods don't know who Alayne really is.ETA: Here's quote“Why would she marry one of her sons to... to a...”“... bastard? For a start, you are the Lord Protector’s bastard, never forget. The Waynwoods are very old and very proud, but not as rich as one might think, as I discovered when I began buying up their debt. Not that Lady Anya would ever sell a son for gold. A ward, however... young Harry’s only a cousin, and the dower that I offered her ladyship was even larger than the one that Lyonel Corbray just collected. It had to be, for her to risk Bronze Yohn’s wroth. This will put all his plans awry. You are promised to Harrold Hardyng, sweetling, provided you can win his boyish heart... which should not be hard, for you.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Nomad Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 Maybe though i would prefer it if they became dog food. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatstag Posted June 27, 2013 Author Share Posted June 27, 2013 They don't. LF offered to help them with their debts, and in exchange he wanted bethrotal between Alayne and Harry. Waynwoods don't know who Alayne really is.ETA: Here's quoteMy mistake. Well they will know soon enough and presumably will be happy about it (although Bronze Yohn may not attend the wedding if he's angry). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerys Blackfyre Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 interesting scenario! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackfish Tully Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 There is no doubt in my mind that destroying the Freys is a big part of Littlefinger's plans. Destroying the Freys would give him a lot of goodwill in the Vale and the Riverlands and it would get rid of his biggest rivals in the Riverlands. Also the Freys are very rich and he would be able to use their castle , lands and gold as rewards to get Lords and Knights to swear loyalty to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight Of Winter Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 No, they are not. They are marrying Harry for LF's gdaughter, Alayne. As far as they know, Alayne is just a bastard. Sansa's identity hasn't been revealed and is planned to become public knowledge at the weddingThey don't. LF offered to help them with their debts, and in exchange he wanted bethrotal between Alayne and Harry. Waynwoods don't know who Alayne really is.About that, I've once read quite interesting and elaborate theory about how Vale Lords already know or strongly suspect who exactly Alayne is: http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/75683-from-pawn-to-player-rethinking-sansa-xiv/page__st__300#entry3776105I don't know how likely it is, but it'd definitely be nice to see Vale Lords plotting and forming their own schemes to thwart Littlefinger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OuterZan Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 There is no doubt in my mind that destroying the Freys is a big part of Littlefinger's plans. Destroying the Freys would give him a lot of goodwill in the Vale and the Riverlands and it would get rid of his biggest rivals in the Riverlands. Also the Freys are very rich and he would be able to use their castle , lands and gold as rewards to get Lords and Knights to swear loyalty to him.Agree. And dont forget littlefingers feelings towards cat, whom the freys murdered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackfish Tully Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 About that, I've once read quite interesting and elaborate theory about how Vale Lords already know or strongly suspect who exactly Alayne is: http://asoiaf.wester...00#entry3776105I don't know how likely it is, but it'd definitely be nice to see Vale Lords plotting and forming their own schemes to thwart LittlefingerI would be surprised if Littlefinger was not aware of the Vale Lords plot's against him and was working on turning their schemes to his advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 About that, I've once read quite interesting and elaborate theory about how Vale Lords already know or strongly suspect who exactly Alayne is: http://asoiaf.wester...00#entry3776105I don't know how likely it is, but it'd definitely be nice to see Vale Lords plotting and forming their own schemes to thwart LittlefingerThe theory is about Yohn Royce knowing, plus it counts that Nestor is someone smart enough to lure LF into trap at the Gates of the Moon. Also, we should never assume that Vale lords aren`t also some maive fools... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommen Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 I need Sansa to Castamere the Twins. I need the combined forces of the Vale and the Northlords and Riverlords loyal to Robb to erase the Freys from existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikachu101 Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 I need Sansa to Castamere the Twins. I need the combined forces of the Vale and the Northlords and Riverlords loyal to Robb to erase the Freys from existence.:agree: The Gods curse those who break the guest right and Sansa's going to whoop their asses ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterz Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 There is no doubt in my mind that destroying the Freys is a big part of Littlefinger's plans. Destroying the Freys would give him a lot of goodwill in the Vale and the Riverlands and it would get rid of his biggest rivals in the Riverlands. Also the Freys are very rich and he would be able to use their castle , lands and gold as rewards to get Lords and Knights to swear loyalty to him.Except Littlefinger is still unable to lead any of the Vale's armies so he can't really destroy the Freys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morienthar Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 They probably could but not under Petyr for the simple reason that no army on Planetos will ever follow him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
profilebegone Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 They probably could but not under Petyr for the simple reason that no army on Planetos will ever follow him.They might follow 'Arry the 'Eir, though, and 'Arry might have a certain mockingbird tweeting in his ear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morienthar Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 They might follow 'Arry the 'Eir, though, and 'Arry might have a certain mockingbird tweeting in his ear.I just don't see the Vale going to war for any reason as long as Petyr is in office,for Harry or Sansa or anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
profilebegone Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 I just don't see the Vale going to war for any reason as long as Petyr is in office,for Harry or Sansa or anyone.I'm frankly not sure what LF's next move is, but I'm sure he maneuvered the Vale into neutrality (and thus full preservation of its strength) for some reason. On the other hand, the Vale is about to get snowed in hard, so I'm not sure anyone's getting anywhere very quickly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otherbeef Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 I'm frankly not sure what LF's next move is, but I'm sure he maneuvered the Vale into neutrality (and thus full preservation of its strength) for some reason. On the other hand, the Vale is about to get snowed in hard, so I'm not sure anyone's getting anywhere very quickly...well whatever plans he may have had might have a wrench thrown in with Aegon's invasion anyway, i feel like the Vale will have to pick a side at some point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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