Barristan in KL - A room full of murderers

[Rheagar Prime]

damn you just blew my mind man or lady

[Sansa_Stark]

I think she'd be capable of working this one out.

And like your quote says.

Her pride blinds her.

She probably saw the opportunity to raise Jaime up and then got all giddy from the prospect of making him a member of the small council. In her excitement, she blinded herself to the alternate and more intelligent route of just killing Barristan.

Of course, your point also brings up the fact that her offer to give Barristan lands is an odd one. Why mess up the system? Why mess with the order of things when its simply easier to kill him? Cersei has no generosity.

This is Cersei we are talking about. She has no morals when it comes to killing to get what she wants.

[Nyrhex]

There's one problem with this theory. If Cersei wanted to kill Barristan, she would have just killed him. It would have removed the difficulty of how to dismiss a Kingsguard for the first time since the order's inception. It would have been much easier to just poison him and claim he died in his sleep. Publicly dismissing him and fucking with the order of things makes no sense if you're just gonna kill him in a few days.

Possible, but does not kill the theory on its own. There's the very clear lie with the land and servants that were never offered by Tywin. Besides, if Varys was in on the plot just to get Barry to Essos, he probably gave Cercei the idea to do it somewhere nice and quite, like Lannisport, where she had Robert's twins killed, but all the while planning on getting Barry out of Joffrey's service and into Dany's.

And that's without even getting into the logic of "let's kill the alcoholic, famed warrior, by putting a spear in his hands and wine in his belly"...

Cercei has very crude cunning, and she is very easy to manipulate.

[Nyrhex]

If you are innocent and you know that you're gonna be arrested to be executed for no more reason than a child's whim.. would you call it betrayal resist being arrested and executed?

He is an outlaw, not a traitor. Imho, clearly.

1. Joffrey said "questioned", not "killed". There is a difference between a king ordering the arrest of a person who spoke treason at court, even if he was pissed off at the time for getting fired, and the king ordering your arrest out of a whim.

2. Considering that Slynt might very well have been on the plot as "Plan B", Barristan may not even be a traitor, or outlaw.

[Ahura Mazda]

1. Joffrey said "questioned", not "killed". There is a difference between a king ordering the arrest of a person who spoke treason at court, even if he was pissed off at the time for getting fired, and the king ordering your arrest out of a whim.

2. Considering that Slynt might very well have been on the plot as "Plan B", Barristan may not even be a traitor, or outlaw.

Clearly, that's right to point out the textual reference. Thank you.

Speaking his words in such a situation does qualify as treason only in the eyes of a child with whims, imho. A clever and mature man would have understood the situation.. ..though a clever man wouldn't have fired Barristan too.

I do however believe that it is possible to read hidden meaning in words and order though. I don't see any reason why Barristan would have thought such a situation could end well: killed or imprisoned for life. Joffrey didn't show mercy with ned, clearly stated that treason is punishable with death, and has always been eager to extreme measures.

This is my opinion, then clearly you're free to disagree.

[RumHam]

Possible, but does not kill the theory on its own. There's the very clear lie with the land and servants that were never offered by Tywin. Besides, if Varys was in on the plot just to get Barry to Essos, he probably gave Cercei the idea to do it somewhere nice and quite, like Lannisport, where she had Robert's twins killed, but all the while planning on getting Barry out of Joffrey's service and into Dany's.

And that's without even getting into the logic of "let's kill the alcoholic, famed warrior, by putting a spear in his hands and wine in his belly"...

Cercei has very crude cunning, and she is very easy to manipulate.

I think the thing with the lands was probably an assumption on Cersei's part. It's also possible she had asked Tywin for the lands without making it clear what they were for.