The-Paul-Arron00 Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 One thing I truly don't understand is why and or how Joffrey and visarys actually thought they were tough and could kill anyone in a sword fight. Do they really think they possess the ability to kill people or are they bluffing and just trying to sound tough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaarioKnowsBest Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Joff was decent with a swordVis was just a nutbag who thought a lot of ridiculous stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood of the Flagon Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 They are both delusional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binga Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 With some training even a coward could kill someone with a sword given the element of surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeirwoodTreeHugger Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Good old narcissism and entitlement. We don't actually know if Viserys was a bad fighter. No matter how good he was, he wasn't beating Drogo's khalasar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindchap Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 I don't think either were all that skilled, Joff had probably just been told by his mother that he was great, and Viserys probably just never had anyone dispute it when he said it. But good with a sword doesn't necessarily translate to good as a king either. Robert was a great knight but not much of a king and let's face it, at one time he was one of the greatest fighters in Westeros, yet by the time he arrives in Winterfell his weight is his biggest strength. Meanwhile Daeron, Aerys I, and Egg were not much as swordsmen but they were still good kings. Plumm has a great bit in Mystery Knight about the whole process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyvasse Khal Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Didn't really matter how good they were with a weapon. Nowhere does it say that if you're King you HAVE to fight battles. They just need to be able to lead their men and make good decisions. Neither of them would be able to do that either, but they shouldn't be judged on how well they can fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*expletivedeleted* Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Besides, knowing how unstable Joffrey was, would you really beat him up in the training yard? Id say Joff has just been lead to believe he is above average. I definitely think Robb would have kicked Joffreys ass at winterfell had the duel occurred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejhawman Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Joff was a wannabe with the sword. We can't really say if he was working at it, but he was far less talented/inclined than Arya.Viserys we didn't really get to see in action, but I don't think he would have been too far below the level of the Dothraki, who use different weapons. Could have stood to take up with a free company for a while. Maybe he was dueling bravos in his spare time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindchap Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Joff was a wannabe with the sword. We can't really say if he was working at it, but he was far less talented/inclined than Arya.Viserys we didn't really get to see in action, but I don't think he would have been too far below the level of the Dothraki, who use different weapons. Could have stood to take up with a free company for a while. Maybe he was dueling bravos in his spare time...I think Arya at this point in time could have kicked either of their posteriors on their best days. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Paul-Arron00 Posted August 14, 2013 Author Share Posted August 14, 2013 I didn't say anything about them being kings or how they ruled. I specifically said how could they really think they were personally all the tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindchap Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 I didn't say anything about them being kings or how they ruled. I specifically said how could they really think they were personally all the tough.Because Joff, no doubt, had been told he was great by his mother, and there was no one to tell Viserys that he wasn't great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaarioKnowsBest Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Because Joff, no doubt, had been told he was great by his mother.His mother plus nearly every other person he had come in contact with since birth except for probably Robert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhymes with Weak Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 His mother plus nearly every other person he had come in contact with since birth except for probably RobertJoff was probably encouraged to be good by Bob and he was probably told he was good by his mother and Vis most likely had a semblance of training from Willam Darry but nothing major. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyvasse Khal Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 I didn't say anything about them being kings or how they ruled. I specifically said how could they really think they were personally all the tough.But would there ever have been a time, if either of them had survived, that they would have needed to prove that they were tough? I wouldn't have thought so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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