Rhymes with Weak Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Mean title, I know.A lot of people assume that in order to revive Jon from the dead using voodoo, Mel has to sacrifice Shireen or something.They point out that Thoros performed the "kiss of life" on Beric seven times and Beric in turn, gave up his life in order forFrakenCat to rise from the dead. So we've confirmed that you can give up your life to revive a person and that Thoros has a special ability called the "kiss of life" and i'm not sure if it's unique to him or all members of the order can do it. It has never been seen that you can sacrifice another unwilling participant and steal their life in order to revive a dead person so why are people so insistent on this theory?-Do they want Mel to perform something villainous to show her true colors?-Do they hate Shireen?-Do they just really like Jon?I've never understood why everyone wants to sacrifice poor Shireen, when martin could go about Jon resurrection a dozen different ways. Or just keep him dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Mac Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 I don't think it'll be necessary for Mel to sacrifice anyone. She says her magic is stronger at the Wall than it ever was even in Asshai, so I think she could resurrect Jon if needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutch Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 I may not be the best person to chime in here, in that I don't really care about Shireen one way or the other, but I would imagine that it could be for any number of reasons; it gives her character more purpose, it gives more drama to Mel's character, it's a creative way to bring Jon back, it adds drama between Stannis and Mel, etc. if I had a choice I would keep her alive and kill Patchface's creepy ass instead, but that's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenerationx Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Agree on the drama aspect, as well as the "give Shireen a purpose" part as well.The other thing is that, not being GRRM, we as fans only have what he's given us to work with. From the theories I've seen that suggest Mel sacrificing Shireen, it has to do with the fact that she believes in order to create powerful magic, sacrificing those with king's blood works the best. Shireen in that sense is a natural place for Mel to turn.Another reason, at least for people who believe that Jon is AA, is the part of the prophecy that AA will "wake dragons from stone." In such a case, the "dragon" in question would be Jon, while Shireen, suffering from grayscale, is "stone." Thus, by killing her, it wakes Jon the dragon.I honestly don't think it's because of hating Shireen specifically, or even liking Jon specifically. It just is one of the ways fans have come up with to fulfill certain prophecies, using the chess pieces on hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blood of the dragoon Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Plus the foreshadowing of Val saying she's already dead. I don't buy into it, but it's not the most crackpot thing I've heard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet-N-SourRobin Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Don't call her Rockface!!!Rickon will use her head to crush walnuts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhymes with Weak Posted August 17, 2013 Author Share Posted August 17, 2013 Plus the foreshadowing of Val saying she's already dead. I don't buy into it, but it's not the most crackpot thing I've heardVal's whole outburst was rather odd wasn't it, of course it means something to the story but I don't think it's something like that. It was one of the most spontaneous thing in ADWD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blood of the dragoon Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Val's whole outburst was rather odd wasn't it, of course it means something to the story but I don't think it's something like that. It was one of the most spontaneous thing in ADWD.Oh, i don't think so either, but it gives some credence to the theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Eater Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 I agree that Mel won't sacrifice Shireen to resurrect Jon. I do think towards the end, Mel will sacrifice Shireen when her greyscale has reactivated, to wake the stone dragon. She will convince Stannis that Shireen is dead anyway with the greyscale advancing, and they might as well use her king's blood to help Stannis fulfill his destiny as AAR and win the war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blood of the dragoon Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 I agree that Mel won't sacrifice Shireen to resurrect Jon. I do think towards the end, Mel will sacrifice Shireen when her greyscale has reactivated, to wake the stone dragon. She will convince Stannis that Shireen is dead anyway with the greyscale advancing, and they might as well use her king's blood to help Stannis fulfill his destiny as AAR and win the war.Or she'll be immune when JonCon starts a pandemic, and outlive them all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhymes with Weak Posted August 17, 2013 Author Share Posted August 17, 2013 Or she'll be immune when JonCon starts a pandemic, and outlive them all...That would be a twist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blood of the dragoon Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 That would be a twist.So many balls in the air, it's impossible to tell what's going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bippy Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 I would hate anything to happen to Shireen, I would not consider Jon's life well purchased or anything, but everything about her just screams "redshirt." Also the thing with Val.I know what it is, now that I think about it more: the link is Stannis and a desire to see him really face up to the cruelty of what he and Mel do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blood of the dragoon Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 I would hate anything to happen to Shireen, I would not consider Jon's life well purchased or anything, but everything about her just screams "redshirt." Also the thing with Val.I know what it is, now that I think about it more: the link is Stannis and a desire to see him really face up to the cruelty of what he and Mel do.Lol... Nerd references... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodsteel bitterraven Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 I really hope nothing happens to Shireen. She didn't have any friends until Edric Storm arrived to Dragonstone and then they took him away from her. And then when she's on the Wall she's so happy to see a real giant like the ones from the stories and the Queen's men had to act like total jerks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red Melli Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Mean title, I know.A lot of people assume that in order to revive Jon from the dead using voodoo, Mel has to sacrifice Shireen or something.They point out that Thoros performed the "kiss of life" on Beric seven times and Beric in turn, gave up his life in order forFrakenCat to rise from the dead.So we've confirmed that you can give up your life to revive a person and that Thoros has a special ability called the "kiss of life" and i'm not sure if it's unique to him or all members of the order can do it. It has never been seen that you can sacrifice another unwilling participant and steal their life in order to revive a dead person so why are people so insistent on this theory?-Do they want Mel to perform something villainous to show her true colors?-Do they hate Shireen?-Do they just really like Jon?I've never understood why everyone wants to sacrifice poor Shireen, when martin could go about Jon resurrection a dozen different ways. Or just keep him dead.I think GRRM already portrayed Melisandre as villainous.I mean Davos saying someone is evil puts you immediately in a bad spot.In an interview with the question "Who is the most misunderstood character" He answered: "Maybe Melisandre..And Mel has been brought to the readers with negative first impressions.I'm sure we won't see a villainous Mel in WOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Berg Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Agree on the drama aspect, as well as the "give Shireen a purpose" part as well.Shireen had already a purpose in the story: teaching the lord of onions to read, so that he could convince Stannis going north the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red Melli Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Shireen had already a purpose in the story: teaching the lord of onions to read, so that he could convince Stannis going north the wall.Almost forgot about that one! :agree: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurga Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Shireen had already a purpose in the story: teaching the lord of onions to read, so that he could convince Stannis going north the wall.Lets not forget that it simply would have looked rather implausible if dutiful Stannis had no heir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodsteel bitterraven Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Maester Pylos taught Davos how to read not Shireen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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