AryaBaratheon Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 If this has been discussed before, forgive me...Is it just me, or is the animosity btwn the Tyrells and the Dornish possibly all a show for the Lannisters' benefit? Oberyn speaks of his ongoing correspondence with Wilas Tyrell, and no one in Dorne ever talks about wanting any blood but Lannister blood... Might Highgarden & Sunspear be secret allies, united by a shared desire to bring down the Lannisters? What's your take? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrogo Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 That would be interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Alysanne™ Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 I remember \i saw this theory on a different website that the Martells acting like enemies of the Tyrells is just an act, and they were both plotting to bring the Lannisters down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanml82 Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 It might be an act, although actual soldiers died for it in the Red Keep, but I don't think it's to bring the Lannisters down. At least from the Tyrell's point of view. The Tyrells need the Lannister as they are by the end of ADWD, but it's not in their interests to undermine Tommen's legitimacy and "authority" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thendel Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 I very much doubt it:The animosity between Marchers and the Dornish is both old and widespread: Joffrey learns a lot of jokes about Dornishmen after the Tyrells come to town, Marcher and Dornish soldiers engage in killing each other almost the very moment Oberyn and his escort arrives in King's Landing, and one of the few things Arys Oakheart's PoV told us is that his family has been shedding Dornish blood for centuries.Obara wants to burn down Oldtown.Mace reacts with disgust every time the Dornish are mentioned. Either the contempt is genuine, or he is a master of deception, being able to deceive intelligent men such Tyrion, Tywin and Kevan. Allow me to believe in the former.Where is the motive for a secret alliance? The Tyrells have no prior bad history with the Lannisters, and by jumping into bed with them, they have amassed great power for themselves. What could Dorne possibly offer them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodsteel bitterraven Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 If this has been discussed before, forgive me...Is it just me, or is the animosity btwn the Tyrells and the Dornish possibly all a show for the Lannisters' benefit? Oberyn speaks of his ongoing correspondence with Wilas Tyrell, and no one in Dorne ever talks about wanting any blood but Lannister blood...Might Highgarden & Sunspear be secret allies, united by a shared desire to bring down the Lannisters? What's your take?No, the animosity is real. The Reach and Dorne have been enemies for centuries and the Targaryen King that tried to conquer Dorne (I forget his name, I believe he was the son of Aegon the Dragonsbane) only made it worse. The Martells hatred for the Lannisters is more recent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon of the Dead Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 I think right now both sides are overplaying it, for their own benefit. In aSoS, Tyrion thinks that it's gonna be hard to handle two allies trying to get at each other's throats, but in the end both the Tyrells and the Dornish were plotting against the Lannisters, albeit separately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet-N-SourRobin Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Willas and Oberyn being pen pals has always smelled fishy to me and I think its very possible that the Martells and Tyrells having been enemies in the past is exactly that: in the past.Certainly not everyone in each house is "in on it", and that makes sense from the standpoint that it's easier for the houses to act like enemies if the less essential family members aren't acting (or at least don't know they're putting on a show). But there could well be SOME communication and cooperation between the brain trusts of each house. Wouldn't be the first secret Doran kept from his family!A fight breaks out during Joffrey's wedding between their respective footmen. Isn't that a convenient distraction? Mutually Convenient, for people who think Oberyn was trying to poison Tywin.Willas was one of the show matches for Arianne Martell too, wasn't she? Hmmmm....[EDITING TO ADD: Even so, there's an interesting symmetry in both Willas AND Arianne still being unmarried. Each case is suspicious. We know now why Arianne isn't. Willas' bachelorhood remains curious. Crippled or no, he is way too good a match to still be available. And USUALLY the firstborn gets married off first in primogeniture, since they're the most important/most attractive to marry (or marry off). Who's he waiting for? Who are they saving him for?]If nothing else, after what the Lannisters have done to the Martells the Tyrells probably don't seem like such bad folks. Especially if they were the other Loyalist House during the rebellion against the Targaryens (even if Mace was not as vigorous in his duties as he perhaps could have been).It's far from a sure thing, but it's certainly possible and I for one would NOT be surprised. It does seem to require that the Tyrells be more "team players" and/or much fiercer Targaryen Loyalists than they have shown themselves to be. As all they've done would then have to be just to get into position to destroy the Lannisters from within and/or leave the back door to the Red Keep open for when the Martells are ready to de-cloak with a Targaryen heir and take the Iron Throne back. In effect the Tyrells would be doing to the Lannisters what the Lannisters did to the Targaryens.However, in the meantime the Tyrells have ample opportunity and motive to scrap the plan and go into business for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ductastic Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 I very much doubt it:The animosity between Marchers and the Dornish is both old and widespread: Joffrey learns a lot of jokes about Dornishmen after the Tyrells come to town, Marcher and Dornish soldiers engage in killing each other almost the very moment Oberyn and his escort arrives in King's Landing, and one of the few things Arys Oakheart's PoV told us is that his family has been shedding Dornish blood for centuries.Obara wants to burn down Oldtown.Mace reacts with disgust every time the Dornish are mentioned. Either the contempt is genuine, or he is a master of deception, being able to deceive intelligent men such Tyrion, Tywin and Kevan. Allow me to believe in the former.Where is the motive for a secret alliance? The Tyrells have no prior bad history with the Lannisters, and by jumping into bed with them, they have amassed great power for themselves. What could Dorne possibly offer them?Totally agree, expect on Obara. Her wanting to burn down Oldtown stems from the fact that she was born there and that part of her life seems to be a problem to her. Probably due to Oberyn making her choose between the spear and her mother.The animosity is definitely real, Arys Oakheart is even kind of afraid when walking thorugh Sunspear on his way to Arianne because he's from the Reach and people might attack or smth. Not every member from the Tyrells or Martells might share the sentiment but it's far from an act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbigski Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 If this has been discussed before, forgive me...Is it just me, or is the animosity btwn the Tyrells and the Dornish possibly all a show for the Lannisters' benefit? Oberyn speaks of his ongoing correspondence with Wilas Tyrell, and no one in Dorne ever talks about wanting any blood but Lannister blood...Might Highgarden & Sunspear be secret allies, united by a shared desire to bring down the Lannisters? What's your take?It's just you. If the Tyrells wanted to bring down the Lannisters, they could have married Willas to Shireen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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