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The Lord Paramounts after The Winds of Winter

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#1 RockyRagnarok



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Posted 10 August 2014 - 01:52 PM

So I think this can go several ways of course, 1st I'm going to lay down the "Happy Ending" version and the "Bittersweet/GRR Martin" version a bit later..


Jon Snow is somehow reborn Azor or the "Prince that was Promised", after helping defeat the Other's and the Night's King he hears about the destruction of King's Landing due to a "Dance of Dragons 2"

King Jon Snow than appoints the young Lord Rickon Stark the Warden of the North (Brought back to Winterfell by Ser Davos, A full grown Shaggy Dog and the Warriors of Skagos as his King's Guard)

Lord Harold Hardyn aka Harry the Heir becomes Warden of the East with Sansa Stark it's "Lady of the Vale" (Reward for Killing Petyr Baelish/Reyne and protecting Sansa against the Lannisters)

Lord Tyrion Lannister is made Warden of the West after he is given a Royal pardon by King Snow (he survives the Dance with Dragons and protects the Throne until Jon Snow walks into the Red Keep)

King Jon than makes Gendry of flea bottom a true Baratheon and the Lord of The Storm Lands (after Stannis becomes the Night's King and sacrifices Shireen, Melissandre tells a reborn Jon that Robert's last heir wields a Hammer and fights for The Brotherhood without Banners, when Jon finds the splitting image of King Robert during the Battle of Winter, he makes him a legitimate Baratheon)

Shortly after His "REBIRTH" Jon seeks out The Fallen Stannis and his New King's Guard of Undead Bolton, Frey and others, Jon and Mel find Theon and Asha Greyjoy and learn of Bran and Rickon's survival, Mel informs Jon that Bran may be beyond saving because he has been turned Into The Last Green Seer and is working with Blood Raven aka The 3 Eyed Crow aka The Great Other??? King Jon makes Theon and Asha King and Queen of the Iron Islands and task them with gathering the ships that will rescue Rickon and Ser Davos...
For their help in returning the King of the North and last male Stark, Theon is Pardoned for his crimes of Sacking Winterfell and "killing" the 2 farm boys, Ramsey Snow is revealed to the world as the real Reek...Asha is made Master of Ships and Rickon is betrothed to Margaery Tyrell after Ser Loras is killed winning her freedom during her Trial by Combat, Marg becomes the Queen of the North, becoming the flower hidden away

The Martell's are brought back into the 7 Kingdom's when King Jon weds Arriane Martell and makes her Queen of Westeros, he also weds the the remaining Sand Snakes off to Gendry(Obara), Theon(Tyene) and Nymeria(Tyrion), Alleras/Sarella is killed by Marwyn and avenged by Sam who helps Jon at the Wall via the Glass Candle

Sam is in turn made Maester of King's Landing and allowed to see Gillie who is now a Silent Sister

Ser Barristan Selmy is reinstated as Lord Commander of the King's Guard after he Survives the sack of King's Landing by Aegon and Dany Targaryen in the DoD, he stands by Tyrion's side while he awaits a rightful king, upon hearing Jon's claim he swears his sword and Jon accepts...Barristan's first order is to rebuild the King's Guard, he seeks out Jaime Lannister who was last seen wandering the Riverlands looking for Arya Stark, Ser Barristan saw Ser Jaime slay the Final unridden Dragon(being Warged by Bran/BR) with One Hand wielding the Stark ancestral sword OathKeeper, his companion Lady Brienne wielding another named Widow's Wail, the 2 sworn to find and return the final Stark girl home to Winterfell, this after seeing his 2 children killed by Cersi due to poison, Ser Jaime killed his sister and oldest love, he and Brienne are rumored to be headed to the Isle of Faces in search of A cat named Arya and a dog named Sandor...

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Posted 10 August 2014 - 04:24 PM

I have never seen a worst fan fiction.

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Posted 10 August 2014 - 05:46 PM

Plus wouldnt roberts heir be edric storm or mya stone? If your gonna legitimize a bastsrd to rule an ancient land woth ancient lords would they accept a bastsrd from flea bottom? At least edric was raised by renly

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Posted 10 August 2014 - 06:16 PM

It could be worse.GRRM could be inspired by Duncan Idaho's"destiny" after God Emperor of Dune :every women will be part of his harem.

Jon will become King,and then marry Val, Aryane,Arya,Sansa,Danny,Shireen after she turns 18, Margaery and Asha......and why not the Night Queen? She had a Stark in the past,why not a half _Stark?

His descendants will be leaders or lords of the wildlings,Martells, Starks, Tullys, Targaryens,Baratheons, Tyrells,of the Ironborn and the others.His bloodline will live forever,right?


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Posted 10 August 2014 - 06:52 PM

Too many jumps.


You have Jon going from Prince to King without saying how.

Warriors on Skagos? Really?

Harrold and Sansa can't marry. It'd be as much a sham as her marriage is to Tyrion.

Tyrion has contracted Greyscale, known to be fatal in adults.

A bastard king making another bastard legit? Stannis would not sacrifice Shireen either. Selyse would do it first. Stannis takes Selyse's head,


This next para was..... The Fallen Stannis? New Kingsguard comprising Boltons, Freys.... (Red Wedding dooms them.) Too much reliance on Mel actually reading her flames accurately. (It's been shown otherwise.) Leopards and spots. Theon & Asha as K&Q? Start with them being siblings. Has Euron fallen in a puddle and drowned? Only the Kingsmoot can affect change there. Ironborn are pesky upstarts, and always will be! It's in their water! Marg won't wed Rickon. The North is too cold for her.


You've got Jon very busy arranging marriages! The Martells may well align themselves with Westeros. The marriages are absolute nonsense.

Sam to become a Maester, and at KL? Gilly to become a Silent Sister? Sam has more chance of inheritance from Lord Randall.


Ser Barristan Selmy reinstated as LC? I'd think he'd be weary after all the battles, plus he's not getting any younger. How can you go from destroying KL to sacking KL? It's nonsense. They are very different things and outcomes.


Nothing works with this so-called "Happy Ending". Too much suspension of belief and assumption. No pointers or reference from anywhere to give credence to support anything.

Why would anyone want to go to Kings Landing when it's likely to resemble Harrenhal? Three huge and not full grown dragons, breathing fire..... Look at the chaos in the wake of Drogon at the Pit. How short a time that was too.

Honestly, I'd suggest stop now, while the goings bad. Find out more about this whole world. I'm no expert, not by a long way. There are others more qualified than I.


You start by posing who would be Lords Paramount (correct way to say it) after The Winds Of Winter. It ought to have been there you stated a case.

It's too early to call on that subject, even if such positions would be relevant, wanted or desired. Personally, based on history, a new age means complete rethinking of all the past. Old Titles disappear. Old Houses disappear.

Historical case in point - England, from The War of the Roses, and onward.

There are others throughout Europe and elsewhere. Chinese Dynasties. Japan has some amazing history too. How about the Aztecs and Incas?

#6 Kevvy



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Posted 10 August 2014 - 07:19 PM

North: Likely Manderly Edit: assuming there's some problem getting Rickon back
Reach: Mace might still be there, if not him then Willas
West: Daven
Vale: Harry
Stormlands: Shireen
Dorne: Arrianne
Iron Isles: Asha

Why so little change? Because it's politics. If we take the 300 year gap between AL and now, it's been the same LPs for those 300 years - only the Vale, severely lacking in Arryns, is likely to change.

Edited by Kevvy, 10 August 2014 - 07:32 PM.

#7 Marcus Agrippa

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Posted 10 August 2014 - 07:27 PM

The canadians come down from the north and conquer everything.

#8 Ser John Snow Tergaryan

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Posted 10 August 2014 - 07:32 PM

I have never seen a worst fan fiction.


LOL I have to agree. Every fan-favorite gets a heavenly happy ending, and we don't even know what happens to Aegon and Dany. Apparently they both died while sacking KL together/fighting each other.

#9 The King In Yellow

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Posted 10 August 2014 - 07:55 PM

Wow, thanks for this. I have a reason not to watch the HBO series conclusion.

After all, GRRM pointed out that it will end in nothing but happiness.


And lastly, all that time reading POV's of Arya led to nothing anyways. 

#10 Lord Damian

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Posted 10 August 2014 - 07:56 PM

I am tired of hearing this Azor - Aha bla bla bla. The Prince who was promissed etc.. The North will be in utter chaos as House Bolton and the Freys are going down. The Nights Watch may be wiped out. The North will be under attack by wyghts and white walkers. Stannis if he is still alive, will claim to be king of the world but will anyone listen once Boltons and Freys are gone? I doubt it.

Lord Paramounts, South - Doran Martell, West will not be conquered and Jon Connington will be warden of the East and hand of the King.

#11 Good Guy Garlan 🌹

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Posted 10 August 2014 - 08:04 PM

In this case, A Dream of Spring would be an incredibly boring book, then...

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Posted 10 August 2014 - 08:06 PM

In this case, A Dream of Spring would be an incredibly boring book, then...


Heh, I was thinking the same thing.

#13 Grizzly Mormont

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Posted 10 August 2014 - 08:16 PM

I think everyone you mentioned will be dead at the end of WoW



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Posted 10 August 2014 - 11:57 PM

Jon leading an army of free folk and the old gods with them.

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Posted 10 August 2014 - 11:58 PM

King Rickon is more likely to have Jon as a Regent, not the other way around. His claim is better

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Posted 11 August 2014 - 02:03 AM

Ah, this is a boring ending really