[ADWD SPOILERS] Reek 3
Posted 13 July 2011 - 06:48 AM
Posted 14 July 2011 - 04:25 AM
Yeah, which makes his betrayal of Robb all the more painful. He seems to really despise Ramsay, but having the bastard legitimized was one of his main motivations for the Red Wedding wasn't it? Or did we get a better explanation of his motives and I've just forgotten?
Posted 14 July 2011 - 09:49 AM
Also forgot to mention my love for the Manderly ploy to the Boltons/Freys this chapter.
"oops they must have gotten lost on the Road"
Between Lady Stonehearts gang and the Manderlys it would seem more and more Freys are going "disappear"
Edited by Xanderpanda, 14 July 2011 - 10:37 AM.
Posted 14 July 2011 - 12:36 PM
Posted 14 July 2011 - 01:10 PM
is Theon a eunuch now?
Posted 14 July 2011 - 01:11 PM
Posted 14 July 2011 - 01:21 PM
The Roose/Ramsay conversation was filled with a loathing that we haven't really achieved in the book before. These two men need each other but they hate each other. When Roose says that he wished he hadn't raped Ramsay's mother, my stomach turned a little bit. I really don't know which of the men I loathe more.
I am growing quite fond of Lady Dustin though, especially with the things that Roose tells Ramsay about her.
I agree, I think that Theon has been gelded - meaning that if Asha is pregnant with Qarl's child, she didn't have time to brew the tea in 'The Wayward Bride', then that child would be heir to the Isles.
Posted 14 July 2011 - 03:50 PM
Posted 14 July 2011 - 05:47 PM
Posted 14 July 2011 - 06:41 PM
There has been an age-long often resurfacing conflict between the Starks and Boltons over supremacy over the North. That was the main motive. I don't think Roose particularly wanted Ramsay legitimized, but he had to to even be able to cross Moat Cailin. To some degree, he also had to support the story of what had happened at Winterfell.
Posted 14 July 2011 - 08:13 PM
I assumed Roose was told originally.
Posted 14 July 2011 - 08:31 PM
I meant that I think he figured out that Nan was Arya back at Harrenhall (where I don't think he was told anything).
Posted 14 July 2011 - 08:45 PM
cue someone doing a Hitler meme of Roose Bolton losing Arya at Harrenhal.
Posted 14 July 2011 - 09:47 PM
Ohhh, I gotcha. Yeah, that I have no clue about.
Posted 15 July 2011 - 12:57 AM
Posted 15 July 2011 - 09:18 AM
Posted 15 July 2011 - 12:36 PM
Posted 16 July 2011 - 09:15 AM
I loved the bit of history we got of Roose and of Domeric. Is it just me or does Domeric sound like a rather likeable fellow, completely unlike a Bolton?
Anyhow, one thing I really disliked was the fact that Roose Bolton committed a rape. That is really out of character IMO. I mean, Roose is a cultured fellow. He likes Hippocras, for crying out loud, instead of ale. He should be above such base impulses.
But anyway, I liek the tension between him and Ramsay, though I kinda felt sorry for Roose, him knowing that all his trueborn sons will be killed by his bastard. Why is he so against boy Lords anyway? Is it because of Robb, that Robb was a boy Lord and got his House wiped out due in part to his boyhood foolishness?
But Ned Stark was also scarcely a boy when he took up arms against the Mad King, and his house prospered as a result.
I hope there are many more such moments with Roose in this book.
Posted 16 July 2011 - 10:43 PM
On a different note, Reek is just SO tragic- for me this is possibly the best arc of the book, just for how well all of his chapters are written. I only really care about the Boltons as the other side of the eventual Northern uprising, and I don't think I'd ever be able to buy Theon as a 'redeemed' character, but it's tough to feel anything except awful for him.