Pinkie Baelish Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Who do you think would be the better ruler, should they seize the Iron Throne?Argument for Daenerys: Daenerys is clearly more compassionate and understanding of her subjects than Stannis. Her liberation of the slaves is pretty admirable, and unlike Stannis, she can make compromises with people. It's quite impressive that she was able to take three prominent cities in Slaver's Bay despite being a foreign teenager. Like Stannis, she can also dispense harsh justice to wrongdoers such as her crucifixion of the Grand Masters, and has a notion of right and wrong. However, she often lets her own emotions cloud her judgments, and the conflict in Meereen is a clear sign that she's not the perfect queen we originally expected her to be. Her unwillingness to accept that her father deserved his downfall is worrying, as this means that she would possibly punish everyone allied to Robert if she ever took the Throne. Argument for Stannis: Stannis has had far more experience in a leadership role, ruling Dragonstone for many years as well as being a skilled naval commander. The fact that he was able to rule the Targaryen stronghold for so many years without conflict is a testament to his ruling capability. His notion of justice is in a way admirable, in his belief that no good or bad deeds must go ignored, and that good and bad acts don't wash each other out. By saving the Wall, it's clear that he's the only King that cares about the threat of the Others and acts to save the realm. However, his extreme stubbornness is a huge misgiving, as it makes ruling a feudalistic kingdom that much harder. His refusal to ally himself with either Renly or Robb Stark was borderline retarded, and his cold withdrawn personality makes it much harder to gain allies. It's clear that he lacks the political pragmatism that men like Tywin Lannister possessed in order to rule the realm effectively.Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R'hllor's Bastard Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Stannis is wakkkk! I cant wait until plot gods finally abandon this chump, its coming soon! He is going to die with his dumb crown and his oh so flaming fake sword. Its in Rhllors fires.Stannis' "victory" at the Wall is the most overrated, overhyped thing since the Paris Hilton sextape.But,I do hope he gets the Boltons out of Winterfell before he dies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponys123 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Stannis. Dany is an annoying little girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GallowsKnight Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 It depends on their Hands.Stannis and Davos is a good combination. Stannis is incorruptible, just, financially conservative, a proven Admiral and General. Davos is humble, compassionate and honorable. He's willing to disagree with his King too when needs be. The only problem is Stannis lack of charisma and the fact Davos is lowborn originally. Most nobles wouldn't like that. But I think the commons would love Davos and grow to respect Stannis for his constancy and justice.Danaerys is merciful, compassionate, grasps politics and warfare quite well. She's not completely there, but has a lot of potential. But she is emotional and prone to rash decisions. Randyl Tarly would be the best hand for her. He's stern, competent and relatively just. Dany could give him the big picture and he'd sort out the little things. The commons would love Dany more than they could with Stannis but I feel she's at risk of alienating herself just as quickly if she pulled something like she did with The Masters of Meeren in Westeros.Like Stannis, she can also dispense harsh justice to wrongdoers such as her crucifixion of the Grand Masters, and has a notion of right and wrong. That wasn't justice it was revenge. An eye for an eye. Emotional and rash. She gave into their level.Had Stannis been in the same situation he would have rounded up every single individual responsible, it doesn't have to be 183, it could 30, it could be 500. He then would have hanged or burnt them. It's clear that he lacks the political pragmatism that men like Tywin Lannister possessed in order to rule the realm effectively.I think that's a positive thing. A King should be above politics and keeping the best interests of the realm in order. Anyway Stannis wouldn't suffer schemers like Varys or Littlefinger on his small council. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinkie Baelish Posted November 15, 2012 Author Share Posted November 15, 2012 It depends on their Hands.Good point. But I feel that Lord Tarly would be far better as one of her generals rather than her Hand. Ditto Selmy. Her best option is one of the Martells, if she ever decides to make peace with Dorne. Tyrion would be a good Hand, but he's hated throughout the realm and seen as a Kingslayer and a kinslayer. One thing's for certain, she has to ditch Daario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florina Laufeyson Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Its not clear who would be Dany's Hand. But either way...id choose Dany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danm_999 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 If Meereen is any indication, Daenerys is not suited to rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GallowsKnight Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Good point. But I feel that Lord Tarly would be far better as one of her generals rather than her Hand. Ditto Selmy. Her best option is one of the Martells, if she ever decides to make peace with Dorne. Tyrion would be a good Hand, but he's hated throughout the realm and seen as a Kingslayer and a kinslayer. One thing's for certain, she has to ditch Daario.I think Tarly is good because he'd be competent at translating her idealistic plans in realistic options. Doran Martell would ad a bit of caution to her rashness. Tyrion is super-competent. He would be an excellent Bloodraven-style hand for Dany. Gets shit done. Takes the blame for bad things instead of the Queen. But he could as quickly taint her regime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Men in their cups say... Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Both are adulterers, both allowed their brothers to be slain, and neither is very likely to leave an heir (greyscale or dragon food, Shireen's marked for death). The Faith (now militarized) would never accept Stan the Man's commie god, the Citadel (with a maester in every single major castle) would never accept Dany unless she left her dragons in Essos. But Stannis inspires no loyalty and is slightly older, so his kingdom would collapse sooner than Dany's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Drunkard Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Stannis. Mereen shows us what happens when Dany is in charge of something important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolex Baratheon Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 For a long essay of reasons relating to how well they're written, their character, their development, their journey so far, the extend to which they make people cringe (guess who I'm talking about) etc etc, STANNIS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danm_999 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Both are adulterers, both allowed their brothers to be slain, and neither is very likely to leave an heir (greyscale or dragon food, Shireen's marked for death). The Faith (now militarized) would never accept Stan the Man's commie god, the Citadel (with a maester in every single major castle) would never accept Dany unless she left her dragons in Essos. But Stannis inspires no loyalty and is slightly older, so his kingdom would collapse sooner than Dany's.Technically, Daenerys never committed adultery, since she stopped sleeping with Daario once she wed Hizdahr. I'm also dubious that neither can produce heirs; Daenerys really hasn't tested MMD's claim she's infertile, greyscale is only fatal in children according to Wildlings, and since Stannis is in his 30s, he's still capable of producing children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am a bastard's bastard Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 stannis would make the better ruler, its never really been decided which side the targaryen coin landed on with dany, greatness or madness. i think the slavers bay situation degenerated really quickly with her going from glorious slave liberator to mental tyrant in one go. i agree the grand masters were dicks, the slaves needed to be freed but just killing everybody then letting oppressed slaves free on the city was a bad plan. LOCKING UP THE DRAGONS WAS STUPID.Stannis is an awesome general and all but he can be a prick to, i think stannis can only be a good king if he gets rid of mel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callmedodge Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Dany is a weak ruler who constantly yields to her subjects and shuns advice she doesn`t want to face.Stannis is cold, calculated but not without mercy. With Davos as Hand he`d possibly make the greatest king Westeros has ever seen. Even if Dany had a competent Hand, I doubt she`d really listen to him. Besides, they`re both entitled little sods (I love Stannis really). fAegon for king! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASRAIL Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Dany. I think that the whole purpose of the Meereenese knot for her is to make her mistakes early on and learn the ropes before she returns to Westeros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scipio Africanus Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 This is like chosing between a [censored] douche and a turd sandwich.I voted lasted election for Stan though, mainly because of Davos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old-Growth Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Both are adulterers, both allowed their brothers to be slain, and neither is very likely to leave an heir (greyscale or dragon food, Shireen's marked for death). The Faith (now militarized) would never accept Stan the Man's commie god, the Citadel (with a maester in every single major castle) would never accept Dany unless she left her dragons in Essos. But Stannis inspires no loyalty and is slightly older, so his kingdom would collapse sooner than Dany's.Commie god?! What have you been putting in those cups, anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragon Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 The rightful heir is Stannis Baratheon.And moreover he is far more competent than any other other contenders for the moment, he may inspire no love but it is not love that will save Westeros.He is the king who cared and he is aware of the real threat and willing to fight it to the bitter end.And Dany on the iron throne is just disgusting, she doesn't know one single thing about Westeros and she never profits from Barristan our Jorah's knowledge. If she comes to Westeros, the realm will bleed. Daenerys Targaryen, wrong for the dragons, wrong for the realm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaeneryStormBorn Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Dany, she is young but she is learning, What has/will happened to her during her journey to westeros will determine what kind of ruler she will become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolex Baratheon Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Dany, she is young but she is learning, What has/will happened to her during her journey to westeros will determine what kind of ruler she will become./Completely ignoring everything that has happened in the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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