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  1. A lot of that criticism does I think have its root in the show moving past Martin's books although of course it is still operating with knowledge of elements of his future work. This means its knocking into fans pet theories about how the story/charcters should progress much more than it was previously and disagreement with this can easily be challenged into "fan fiction" like talk. Added to that of course expectation around the show is at record levels now which is more likely to have attention focused on the negative. Its perhaps not as simple as "change = bad" but I think all along there's been this tendency to view elements of the show in the context of the book rather than whether they conform to there own logic. Not that I wouldn't say this season didn't have a few leaps of logic though of course but I do rather see why they did so. I do feel the show is naturally drawing towards its finale, the characters and the actors performances for the most part now run the risk of outstaying there welcome IMHO and are best suited to pushing towards big climaxs. The kind of slower plot progress that could have removed some leaps of logic would potentially have risked bogging things down without the freshness to the characters that allowed them to spend several episodes on the road with the likes of Breinne and Jamie or the Hound and Ayra. I suspect actually that this is part of the struggle Martin has, he's shown no signs of reigning in his story that gets ever more complex and difficult to draw to natural climax's hence the massive delays to the books.
  2. Ned would of course still be Jon's uncle and I think it would be easy for Jon to see why he lied to him due to the threat of Robert coming after him were the truth revealed. As you say I think the setup is much more for Jon NOT to tell Dany, his claim would actually have very little evidence to back it up if made aggressively, very different to LF's trial where those convicting him knew he was guilty personally and trusted Bran. However if we have a situation where Jon has hidden it from Dany and she finds out(maybe from Sam?) then its obviously much easier for her to believe it as he would seemingly not be acting for his own gain. After that point things could I think go two ways, either Jon's background only matters in terms of personal drama and potentially abilities(Dragon control, fire resistance) or his claim is given credibility because Dany herself backs it.
  3. I remember the same being true of Peter Jacksons version of LOTR, yes his adaptation was clearly simplified from Tolkiens just as GOT is simplified from Martins but there was a strong tendency from certain fans of the books(which I am) to not give his storytelling credit. The problem is IMHO that its much easier to fall back on mere knowledge of the book as the only standard to meet rather than engaging in more in-depth analysis, if Martin's version is "correct" and anything that differs is "incorrect" things become much simpler. In both cases I think what we really see is that those adapting the story look more towards its over arching tone where as a lot of fans cannot really see the wood though the trees and cling to details.
  4. That vision could be argued to have been fulfilled by Dany turning up with Dragons in tow to the meeting. You could argue that makes sense dramatically since there was tension this season about whether Dany would attack Kings Landing directly with the vision hinting she would but the reality obviously being very different. My guess is that Jon is told next season and his decision whether to tell Dany or not becomes a major(possible THE major) dramatic thread of the whole thing. As you say there are many reasons not to tell her, potential for conflict damaging the war effort with her forces being loyal to her personally, also if she is pregnant by Jon then looking to save the child from being labelled as incestuous just as he was labelled bastard both for its benefit and for a potentially more stable dynasty. I think you can see both conflict and resolution from this though, Dany potentially being angered at the deception and perhaps breaking alliance but also her shifting purpose successfully. I would argue that really the defining feature of the character thus far has been less her claim to the throne and more viewing herself in a messianic fashion, even in this season I think you see a clear shift in her priorities towards the end towards dealing with the threat of the dead and her becoming totally defined by this instead would I think make sense dramatically. I wonder whether we might see a dramatic shift as well in terms of Jon and Dany reversing roles somewhat, previously he's been mostly defined by selflessness where as she has been defined by empathic leadship, maybe the two switch and Dany's story is to die selflessly and Jon's is to lead morally.
  5. The swords remind me of documentary's I'v seen of Trajan, more specifically those the Dacian's used against him. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falx Generally though I'd say there more Mongol than anything else although obviously without generalship as strong as in the era of Genghis Khan. In terms of archery though we've never really see them in a situation where it would have be best for them to focus on it, as with the son of the harpies they caught there opponents with their pants down again.
  6. Indeed, he's pretty much Jamie's man and if he dies then any future reward goes up in smoke were as Cersei was paying him not to fight for Tyrion.
  7. The mongols that there partly based on conquered half the world mostly via horseback archery. In terms of "what if's" as well in this situation they knew they'd caught an enemy by supprise and that dragonfire was going to help break their lines so a very direct attack was best, you could argue against a more organised force they would use more archery from range and spend more time trying to outflank there opponents.
  8. To be fair though wasn't that a lot of the lesson of the end of the first season? Dany being brought down to earth with a bump about what her alliance with Drogo actually entailed? Generally I'd disagree that her questionable actions aren't dwelt on, in season 5 for example the crucifixions of the masters were referred back to as having killed those who argued against doing the same to the slaves previously. Danys whole story has been a case of walking the line between empathy and pragmatism with the faults of the latter highlighted to her many times by various advisors. What the show was obviously trying to sell in episode 3 as well was I'd say that Dany has narcissistic tendency's with a realistic look about why people develop them. Most of the time narcissists use it as a defence mechanism to deal with trauma and low self worth that comes with it. Just a guess but perhaps the finale climax is going to have Jon and Dany switch roles? that is Jon the character who's always been defined by his willingness to die for others has to live to make tough decisions and Dany the character who's been defined by doing just that has instead to accept a selfless death.
  9. It might be an over active imagination but if you look at the figures Jon mentions to Dany as representing men and children of the forrest working together doesn't one of the three large ones on the left have something familiar about it? https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/nintchdbpict000344401611.jpg?strip=all&w=960 Is it me or does that look like Jamie? holding the dragonglass dagger left handed and his right hand is pointing straight downwards with an open palm just as Jamie's replacement hand does, you can even see a line on the arm where it attaches.
  10. Without having read the leaks it seems very likely to me that if Ayra heads to Winterfell rather than Kings Landing then Jon won't be there when she arrives, I think she still needs a climax to get over her revenge focus before potentially reuniting with him. The problem I always had with a lengthy sub plot happening with Ayra in the Riverlands is that there doesn't really seem like there's time enough for it with 13-14 episodes left. Ayra and Sansa at Winterfell with LF on the other hand does clearly seem to have a lot of potential without adding an extra sub plot.
  11. One issue of course is that on the show Yara does make a failed attempt to rescue Theon that costs the lives of a number of her followers and its this that drives a lot of her early reaction to his return. WHilst your right that someone like Yara/Asha should have some knowledge of PTSD like symptoms Theon's reaction against her in that rescue is more akin to brainwashing, something obviously not as easy to understand. We do of course see that she does care about Theon latter in the same scene which to me gives the impression that she was previously looking to draw him back to his old self, of course whether "his old self" is entirely a good thing is questionable and its certainly possible she will learn from him. A big issue as well for me is that on the show Yara really hasn't been given a great deal of depth yet beyond disliking her father and caring about Theon. Presenting the character as too morally perfect at this stage would leave much less room for advancement. Generally Dany's forces are composed of a lot of elements that don't seem to live up to the highest moral standards and I suspect that whilst Elaria and the Sand Snakes will be killed one way or another due to this Yara and Theon will be much more likely to show the ability to become more moral(or in Theons case for actively show it). What we've seen of Yara afterall is you could argue someone very much a product of her society, actually much more towards the moral end than most but still carrying many of its faults.
  12. Again my guess would be that Martin has probably had a firmer grasp of the "end game" for much longer and its more the way in which he moves his pieces into position for that which is more fluid so the show and the books will likely converge again as we get towards the end.
  13. I think the big unknown I suspect might well be Bran, I'd say he may potential have the power to influence Dany towards the threat of the Walkers/Others and so foster a potential alliance between her and Jon.
  14. What I think the show really wanted to do was avoid going to far down the clich├ęd pirate route with the Iron Born, there is some of that to them of course but I think the Viking influence is stronger along with a bit of disshelved fisherman
  15. I would point out as well that ASOIAF/GOT already has a very high turnover of characters, there has always been a high degree of "will people carry on watching if there favourite dies?" talk yet they have in ever greater numbers. One big issue for me is that if you make a prequel of something like The Dance of Dragons do you fundamentally change what kind of story your telling? For all the talk about "shades of grey" and for all the complex politics I think the core of ASOIAF is that it is still a moral heroic adventure, characters like Jon and the threat of the walkers cut though the politics and personal ambition/revenge with a higher moral position. You go back to something like the Dance and is the same going to be possible? You have the outline of how the plot might unfold from Martin but you could argue that's all it was ever intended to be, extra detail without the same elements that make ASOIAF what it is. Doesn't mean it cannot be worthwhile I spose just that it would likely be different.